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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Jan Glauber <jang@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com, Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Subject: Re: [accounting regression since rc1]  scheduler updates
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:45:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070820154529.GA300@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200708141037.48001.borntraeger@de.ibm.com>


* Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com> wrote:

> 1. Jan could finish his sched_clock implementation for s390 and we 
> would get close to the precise numbers. This would also let CFS make 
> better decisions. [...]

i think this is the best option and it should give us the same /proc 
accuracy on s390 as before, plus improved scheduler precision. (and 
improved tracing accuracy, etc. etc.) Note that for architectures that 
already have sched_clock() at least as precise as the stime/utime stats 
there's no problem - and that seems to include all architectures except 
s390.

could you send that precise sched_clock() patch? It should be an order 
of magnitude simpler than the high-precision stime/utime tracking you 
already do, and it's needed for quality scheduling anyway.

> [...] Downside: its not as precise as before as we do some math on the 
> numbers and it will burn cycles to compute numbers we already have 
> (utime=sum*utime/stime).

i can see no real downside to it: if all of stime, utime and 
sum_exec_clock are precise, then the numbers we present via /proc are 
precise too:

   sum_exec * utime / stime;

there should be no loss of precision on s390 because the 
multiplication/division rounding is not accumulating - we keep the 
precise sum_exec, utime and stime values untouched.

on x86 we dont really want to slow down every irq and syscall event with 
precise stime/utime stats for 'top' to display. On s390 the 
multiplication and division is indeed superfluous but it keeps the code 
generic for arches where utime/stime is less precise and irq-sampled - 
while the sum is always precise. It also animates architectures that 
have an imprecise sched_clock() implementation to improve its accuracy. 
Accessing the /proc files alone is many orders of magnitude more 
expensive than this simple multiplication and division.

	Ingo


  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-20 15:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-12 16:32 [git pull request] scheduler updates Ingo Molnar
2007-08-14  8:37 ` [accounting regression since rc1] " Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-16  8:17   ` [PATCH][RFC] Re: accounting regression since rc1 Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-20 15:45   ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2007-08-20 17:03     ` [accounting regression since rc1] scheduler updates Martin Schwidefsky
2007-08-20 18:08       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-20 18:33         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-08-20 19:00           ` Balbir Singh
2007-08-20 19:05           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21  7:20             ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-20 19:12           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21  7:00           ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-21  9:18             ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-08-20 23:07         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-21  2:18         ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-21  7:09           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21 10:07             ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-21 10:20               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21 11:15                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-21 11:20                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21  8:17     ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-21  8:42       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21  9:11         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-08-21  9:34           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21  9:48             ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-21 10:38             ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-08-21 11:36               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21 11:58                 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-08-21 10:39             ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-21 10:43             ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-21 11:15               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21 11:24                 ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-21 11:30                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21 11:58                     ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-21 12:21                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-21 12:57                         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-08-21 11:25       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-22  7:50         ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-22  7:59           ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found] ` <200708141032.47235.borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
     [not found]   ` <alpine.LFD.0.999.0708140835240.30176@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2007-08-14 18:19     ` Christian Borntraeger

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