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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@phunq.net>
To: Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>
Cc: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [1/1] Block device throttling [Re: Distributed storage.]
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:27:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200708281027.59528.phillips@phunq.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070828093540.GB20534@2ka.mipt.ru>

On Tuesday 28 August 2007 02:35, Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 02:57:37PM -0700, Daniel Phillips 
(phillips@phunq.net) wrote:
> > Say Evgeniy, something I was curious about but forgot to ask you
> > earlier...
> >
> > On Wednesday 08 August 2007 03:17, Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
> > > ...All oerations are not atomic, since we do not care about
> > > precise number of bios, but a fact, that we are close or close
> > > enough to the limit.
> > > ... in bio->endio
> > > +			q->bio_queued--;
> >
> > In your proposed patch, what prevents the race:
> >
> > 			cpu1						cpu2
> >
> > 	read q->bio_queued
> > 									q->bio_queued--
> > 	write q->bio_queued - 1
> > 	Whoops! We leaked a throttle count.
>
> We do not care about one cpu being able to increase its counter
> higher than the limit, such inaccuracy (maximum bios in flight thus
> can be more than limit, difference is equal to the number of CPUs -
> 1) is a price for removing atomic operation. I thought I pointed it
> in the original description, but might forget, that if it will be an
> issue, that atomic operations can be introduced there. Any
> uber-precise measurements in the case when we are close to the edge
> will not give us any benefit at all, since were are already in the
> grey area.

This is not just inaccurate, it is suicide.  Keep leaking throttle 
counts and eventually all of them will be gone.  No more IO
on that block device!

> Another possibility is to create a queue/device pointer in the bio
> structure to hold original device and then in its backing dev
> structure add a callback to recalculate the limit, but it increases
> the size of the bio. Do we need this?

Different issue.  Yes, I think we need a nice simple approach like
that, and prove it is stable before worrying about the size cost.

Regards,

Daniel

  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-28 17:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-31 17:13 Distributed storage Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-02 21:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-03 10:26   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-03 10:57     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-03 12:27       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 13:49         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-03 14:53           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 19:48             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-03 19:41           ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-04  1:19     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-04 16:37       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-05  8:04         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-05 15:08           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-05 21:23             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06  8:25               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-07 12:05               ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-07 18:24                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-07 20:55                   ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-08  9:54                     ` Block device throttling [Re: Distributed storage.] Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-08 10:17                       ` [1/1] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-08 13:28                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-12 23:16                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  8:18                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-27 21:57                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-28  9:35                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-28 17:27                             ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2007-08-28 17:54                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-28 21:08                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-29  8:53                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-30 23:20                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-31 17:33                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-31 21:41                                       ` Alasdair G Kergon
2007-09-02  4:42                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  5:22                       ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  5:36                       ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  6:44                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  8:14                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 11:04                             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 12:04                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 12:18                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 12:24                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13  8:23                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 11:18                           ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 12:18                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 13:04                               ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-14  8:46                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-14 11:13                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-14 11:30                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-14 11:35                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-14 11:50                                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-14 12:32                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-14 12:46                                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-14 12:54                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-12 23:36                     ` Distributed storage Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  7:28                       ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13  7:45                         ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13  9:08                           ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  9:13                             ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13  9:55                               ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 10:06                                 ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13 10:15                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 10:22                                     ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13 10:32                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  9:18                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 10:12                               ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 11:03                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-13 11:45                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  8:59                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  9:12                           ` Jens Axboe
2007-08-13 23:27                             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-03  4:09 ` Mike Snitzer
2007-08-03 10:42   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-04  0:49   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-03  5:04 ` Manu Abraham
2007-08-03 10:44   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-04  2:51   ` Dave Dillow
2007-08-04  3:44     ` Manu Abraham
2007-08-04 17:03   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-28 17:19   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-04  0:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-04 16:44   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-05  8:06     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-05 15:01       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-05 21:35         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06  8:28           ` Evgeniy Polyakov

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