From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Combine instrumentation menus in kernel/Kconfig.instrumentation
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:20:33 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070919112033.GF15500@Krystal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3956.1190181478@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>
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* Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:06:28 EDT, Mathieu Desnoyers said:
>
> > * Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) wrote:
> > > OK, I'll bite - given the mention of 'debugging' there, do we want to go for
> > > broke and *also* suck in the 'Kernel Hacking' menu as well?
> >
> > Instrumentation primarity aims at debugging user-space applications by
> > giving the ability to extract information across execution layers, hence
> > being a feature useful to users, not only kernel hackers.
>
> Ahh.. Where I come from, "Instrumentation" includes *all* the code that doesn't
> actually *do* the work, but exists solely so you can tell what the code is
> doing - so almost everything on the i386/x86_64 "Kernel Hacking" menu counts
> as "instrumentation" in my book.
>
> Now if we're talking about the features provided by one specific *instance*
> of instrumentation code, I can buy that too - but I think that help text
> needs to be clear on what is included under "debugging"
>
> (I'd settle for "If you're trying to debug the kernel itself, go see the
> Kernel Hacking menu" or similar.. ;)
>
Ok, let's add that.
> > to many, not only kernel developers. Please have a look at the
> > papers (especially the OLS2007 paper) linked on http://ltt.polymtl.ca as a
> > starting point if you are intereted in the question.
>
> Ahh, LTT. *that* I recognize. Yeah, I count that as *one flavor* of
> instrumentation. :)
>
Systemtap, kprobes and oprofile would also fall into the same category.
Mathieu
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-09-19 11:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-09-18 21:12 [PATCH] Combine instrumentation menus in kernel/Kconfig.instrumentation Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-18 21:45 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-09-19 1:06 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-19 5:57 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-09-19 11:20 ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2007-09-19 11:33 ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-09-19 11:45 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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2007-09-17 18:45 Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-18 18:37 ` Randy Dunlap
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