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From: Yasunori Goto <y-goto@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mpm@selenic.com, "Huang,
	Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
	apw@shadowen.org,
	"Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com" <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: x86 patches was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 19:48:00 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071002180930.2796.Y-GOTO@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071002171631.46888326.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>

> On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 00:43:24 -0700
> Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 16:36:24 +0900 KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> 
> > > > Don't think so.  A node is a lump of circuitry which can have zero or more
> > > > CPUs, IO and memory.
> > > > 
> > > > It may initially have been conceived as a memory-only concept in the Linux
> > > > kernel, but that doesn't fully map onto reality (does it?)
> > > > 
> > > > There was a real-world need for this, I think from the Fujitsu guys.  That
> > > > should be spelled out in the changelog but isn't.
> > > 
> > > Yes, Fujitsu and HP guys really need this memory-less-node support. 
> > > 
> > 
> > For what reason, please?
> > 
> 
> For fujitsu, problem is called "empty" node.
> 
> When ACPI's SRAT table includes "possible nodes", ia64 bootstrap(acpi_numa_init)
> creates nodes, which includes no memory, no cpu.
> 
> I tried to remove empty-node in past, but that was denied.
> It was because we can hot-add cpu to the empty node.
> (node-hotplug triggered by cpu is not implemented now. and it will be ugly.)
> 
> 
> For HP, (Lee can comment on this later), they have memory-less-node.
> As far as I hear, HP's machine can have following configration.
> 
> (example)
> Node0: CPU0   memory AAA MB
> Node1: CPU1   memory AAA MB
> Node2: CPU2   memory AAA MB
> Node3: CPU3   memory AAA MB
> Node4: Memory XXX GB
> 
> AAA is very small value (below 16MB)  and will be omitted by ia64 bootstrap.
> After boot, only Node 4 has valid memory (but have no cpu.)
> 
> Maybe this is memory-interleave by firmware config.

>From memory-hotplug view, memory-less node is very helpful.
It can define and arrange some "halfway conditions" of node hot-plug.
I guess that node unpluging code will be simpler by it.


Bye.

-- 
Yasunori Goto 



  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-02 10:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 146+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-01 21:22 -mm merge plans for 2.6.24 Andrew Morton
2007-10-01 21:34 ` wibbling over the cpuset shed domain connnection Paul Jackson
2007-10-02 12:36   ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-03  5:21     ` Paul Jackson
2007-10-02 13:12       ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-03  7:00         ` Paul Jackson
2007-10-03 10:57           ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-02  4:21 ` Memory controller merge (was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24) Balbir Singh
2007-10-02  4:21   ` Balbir Singh
2007-10-02 15:46   ` Hugh Dickins
2007-10-02 15:46     ` Hugh Dickins
2007-10-03  8:13     ` Balbir Singh
2007-10-03  8:13       ` Balbir Singh
2007-10-03 18:47       ` Hugh Dickins
2007-10-03 18:47         ` Hugh Dickins
2007-10-04  4:16         ` Balbir Singh
2007-10-04  4:16           ` Balbir Singh
2007-10-04 13:16           ` Hugh Dickins
2007-10-04 13:16             ` Hugh Dickins
2007-10-05  3:07             ` Balbir Singh
2007-10-05  3:07               ` Balbir Singh
2007-10-07 17:41               ` Hugh Dickins
2007-10-07 17:41                 ` Hugh Dickins
2007-10-08  2:54                 ` Balbir Singh
2007-10-08  2:54                   ` Balbir Singh
2007-10-04 16:10     ` Paul Menage
2007-10-04 16:10       ` Paul Menage
2007-10-10 21:07   ` Rik van Riel
2007-10-10 21:07     ` Rik van Riel
2007-10-11  6:33     ` Balbir Singh
2007-10-11  6:33       ` Balbir Singh
2007-10-02  6:18 ` x86 patches was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24 Andi Kleen
2007-10-02  6:32   ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-02  7:01     ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-02  7:18       ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-02  7:36         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-10-02  7:43           ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-02  8:16             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-10-02 10:48               ` Yasunori Goto [this message]
2007-10-02 18:18               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-02 17:25             ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-10-02 16:40           ` Nish Aravamudan
2007-10-02 17:17           ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-10-02 18:16           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-02  7:55         ` Matt Mackall
2007-10-02  7:59           ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-02  9:26       ` Andy Whitcroft
2007-10-02  7:37     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-02  7:46       ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-02  7:58         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-10-02  7:59 ` v4l-stk11xx* [Was: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24] Jiri Slaby
2007-10-02  8:08 ` Wireless damage " Jiri Slaby
2007-10-02  8:10   ` Jiri Slaby
2007-10-02 17:37   ` John W. Linville
2007-10-02  8:17 ` per BDI dirty limit (was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24) Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-02  8:28   ` Fengguang Wu
2007-10-02  8:28     ` Fengguang Wu
2007-10-02  8:31   ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-02  8:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-02 10:31       ` Kay Sievers
2007-10-02 10:44         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-02 10:47           ` Fengguang Wu
2007-10-02 10:47             ` Fengguang Wu
2007-10-02 11:22               ` Kay Sievers
2007-10-02 11:28                 ` Fengguang Wu
2007-10-02 11:28                   ` Fengguang Wu
2007-10-02 11:21           ` Kay Sievers
2007-10-02 11:40             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-02 12:05               ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-03 10:15                 ` Kay Sievers
2007-10-03 10:37                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-03 13:35                     ` Kay Sievers
2007-10-03 13:58                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-26 14:48                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-26 15:06                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-10-26 15:10                         ` Kay Sievers
2007-10-26 15:22                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-26 15:33                             ` Kay Sievers
2007-10-26 15:33                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-26 15:55                                 ` Kay Sievers
2007-10-26 20:04                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-27  1:18                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-27  2:40                                       ` Greg KH
2007-10-27  8:39                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-27 16:02                                           ` Greg KH
2007-10-27 16:07                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-27 21:08                                             ` Kay Sievers
2007-10-27 21:35                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-28  7:10                                                 ` Greg KH
2007-11-02 13:15                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-02 13:50                                                 ` Kay Sievers
2007-11-02 13:54                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-02 14:17                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-02 14:32                                                     ` Kay Sievers
2007-11-02 14:59                                                       ` [PATCH] mm: sysfs: expose the BDI object in sysfs Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-02 15:13                                                         ` Kay Sievers
2007-10-26 16:37                         ` per BDI dirty limit (was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24) Trond Myklebust
2007-12-14 14:50                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-12-14 15:14                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-12-14 15:54                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-02 14:38               ` Kay Sievers
2007-10-03 11:00   ` Martin Knoblauch
2007-10-02  8:39 ` writeback fixes Fengguang Wu
2007-10-02  8:39   ` Fengguang Wu
2007-10-02 16:06 ` kswapd min order, slub max order [was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24] Hugh Dickins
2007-10-02 16:06   ` Hugh Dickins
2007-10-02  9:10   ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-02  9:10     ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-02 18:38   ` Mel Gorman
2007-10-02 18:38     ` Mel Gorman
2007-10-02 18:28     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-02 18:28       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-03  0:37       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-03  0:37         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-10-02 16:12 ` -mm merge plans for 2.6.24 Pekka Enberg
2007-10-02 16:21 ` new aops merge [was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24] Hugh Dickins
2007-10-02 16:21   ` Hugh Dickins
2007-10-02 17:45 ` remove zero_page (was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24) Nick Piggin
2007-10-02 17:45   ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-03 10:58   ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-03 10:58     ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-03 15:21   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-03 15:21     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-08 15:17     ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-08 15:17       ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-09 13:00       ` Hugh Dickins
2007-10-09 13:00         ` Hugh Dickins
2007-10-09 14:52       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-09 14:52         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-09  9:31         ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-09  9:31           ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-10  2:22           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-10  2:22             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-09 10:15             ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-09 10:15               ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-10  3:06               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-10  3:06                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-10  4:06               ` Hugh Dickins
2007-10-10  4:06                 ` Hugh Dickins
2007-10-10  5:20                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-10  5:20                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-09 14:30                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-09 14:30                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-10 15:04                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-10 15:04                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-03 19:50 ` A kernel Tracing interface " David Wilder
2007-10-09  9:19 ` r/o bind mounts, was Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.24 Christoph Hellwig
2007-10-13  8:44 ` Borislav Petkov
2007-10-13  8:52   ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-13 11:45     ` Borislav Petkov

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