From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IkQPo-0008Iw-E7 for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:31:52 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IkQPn-0008Io-BJ for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:31:51 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IkQPk-0008Ic-Vu for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:31:50 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IkQPk-0008IZ-PN for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:31:48 -0400 Received: from aybabtu.com ([69.60.117.155]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IkQPk-0007mg-Fk for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:31:48 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.6] (helo=thorin) by aybabtu.com with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IkQPi-0007B7-Qz for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:31:47 +0200 Received: from rmh by thorin with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IkQPc-0007tk-Uf for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:31:40 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:31:40 +0200 From: Robert Millan To: The development of GRUB 2 Message-ID: <20071023203140.GA30187@thorin> References: <507931.10540.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <688281.39758.qm@web28115.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20071023123149.GA2354@thorin> <60954307-5783-43C8-9A67-1203319A2E9C@gmail.com> <20071023201713.GA29047@thorin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071023201713.GA29047@thorin> Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Microsoft discourages use of Outlook. X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. Subject: Re: help installing grub-ima X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:31:51 -0000 Please don't take me wrong, I don't mean to say that everything the TCG has produced is encumbered by evilness. As I see it, my position is just: - I don't like to discuss about "bundle terms", because they mean so many things at the same time, and they might mix pure evil with rather useful features. - Remote attestation is a feature which can only be used for nasty purposes _and_ it affects everyone (by network effects) rather than just those who use it. - There's a tendency to believe adding checks and chains of trust increases security without asking oneself enough questions (e.g. do I trust the root of that chain?). -- Robert Millan I know my rights; I want my phone call! What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.)