From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1IkQi6-0000An-9J for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:50:46 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IkQi3-00006r-L1 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:50:43 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IkQi1-0008Vc-SD for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:50:43 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IkQi1-0008V7-NY for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:50:41 -0400 Received: from aybabtu.com ([69.60.117.155]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IkQi1-0004AE-6o for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:50:41 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.6] (helo=thorin) by aybabtu.com with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IkQhy-0007CD-Kp for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:50:39 +0200 Received: from rmh by thorin with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IkQht-000838-09 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:50:33 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:50:32 +0200 From: Robert Millan To: The development of GRUB 2 Message-ID: <20071023205032.GA30732@thorin> References: <507931.10540.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <688281.39758.qm@web28115.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20071023123149.GA2354@thorin> <60954307-5783-43C8-9A67-1203319A2E9C@gmail.com> <20071023201713.GA29047@thorin> <20071023203140.GA30187@thorin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071023203140.GA30187@thorin> Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Microsoft discourages use of Outlook. X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. Subject: Re: help installing grub-ima X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:50:44 -0000 And to clarify a bit more, I don't have anything against local security checks that are controlled by the owner. I merely think they're useless (unless you're running LinuxBIOS, which would break the chain of trust anyway), but if they make you feel safe, no big deal. OTOH, when it is someone else who gets to stablish the policy, this sounds more and more like a 1984-esque scenario. It would have been nice to split the two features so that local checks don't get the bad credit for remote takeovers (only the bad credit for being useless ;-)), but the TCG proponents chose not to do so. -- Robert Millan I know my rights; I want my phone call! What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.)