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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
To: Tom Tucker <tom@opengridcomputing.com>
Cc: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	sam@ravnborg.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] [1/9] Core module symbol namespaces code and intro.
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:59:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071127185952.GD3406@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1196185537.24469.21.camel@trinity.ogc.int>

On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 11:45:37AM -0600, Tom Tucker wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 18:15 +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 11:35:42PM -0600, Tom Tucker wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 15:49 +1100, Rusty Russell wrote:
> > >...
> > > > No.  That's the wrong question.  What's the real upside?
> > > 
> > > Explicitly documenting what comprises the kernel API (external,
> > > supported) and what comprises the kernel implementation (internal, not
> > > supported).
> > >...
> > 
> > There is not, never was, and never will be, any supported external API 
> > of the kernel.
> 
> Philosophically I understand what you're saying, but in practical terms
> there is the issue of managing core API like kmalloc. Although kmalloc
> _could_ change, doing so would be extremely painful. In fact anyone who
> proposed such a change would have to have a profoundly powerful argument
> as to why it was necessary.

The latter should at least in theory be required for all changes no 
matter how core they are...

> I think this patchset is an attempt to make it easier to identify and
> review these kinds of interfaces.

As long as the submitter fixes all in-kernel users these interfaces are 
not handled differently from interfaces with fewer users.

And I remember at least one commit that changed > 1000 files because it 
changed a frequently used driver API. [1]

cu
Adrian

[1] commit 7d12e780e003f93433d49ce78cfedf4b4c52adc5

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-27 19:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-22  2:43 [PATCH RFC] [1/9] Core module symbol namespaces code and intro Andi Kleen
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [2/9] Fix duplicate symbol check to also check future gpl and unused symbols Andi Kleen
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [3/9] modpost: Declare the modpost error functions as printf like Andi Kleen
2007-12-10 18:50   ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-12-10 18:58     ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-12  1:37     ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [4/9] modpost: Fix format string warnings Andi Kleen
2007-12-10 18:50   ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [5/9] modpost: Fix a buffer overflow in modpost Andi Kleen
2007-12-10 19:32   ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-12-10 19:57     ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-10 20:07       ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [6/9] Implement namespace checking " Andi Kleen
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [7/9] Convert TCP exports into namespaces Andi Kleen
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [8/9] Put UDP exports into a namespace Andi Kleen
2007-11-22  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [9/9] Add a inet namespace Andi Kleen
2007-11-22  3:03 ` [PATCH RFC] [1/9] Core module symbol namespaces code and intro Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-22  3:37   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-22  3:52 ` Dave Jones
2007-11-22  3:56 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-22  8:41   ` Dave Young
2007-11-22 18:19     ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-23  2:06       ` Dave Young
2007-11-22 11:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-23  0:25     ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-23  1:36       ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-23  3:35         ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-23 19:53           ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-24  4:53             ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-24 12:39               ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-26  1:23                 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-22 11:46   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-23  0:29     ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-25 20:29       ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-26  1:25         ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-26  5:58           ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-27  4:26             ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-27 10:50               ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 13:58                 ` Herbert Xu
2007-11-27 14:12                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 14:36                     ` Herbert Xu
2007-11-27 20:02                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-11-28  1:34                 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-22 11:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-22 11:54   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-22 12:03     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-22 12:01 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2007-11-22 18:17   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-25 20:27 ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-26  1:28   ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-26  6:15     ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-27  4:49       ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-27  5:35         ` Tom Tucker
2007-11-27  9:02           ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 17:24             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-27 17:15           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-27 17:45             ` Tom Tucker
2007-11-27 18:59               ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2007-11-28  1:27           ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-28  4:12             ` Tom Tucker
2007-11-27 15:43         ` Jonathan Corbet
2007-11-27 15:58           ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 16:33           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-27 22:31         ` Jon Masters
2007-11-27 22:37           ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 23:00             ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-11-27 23:06               ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-28 16:48                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-28 17:31                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 22:31         ` Jon Masters
2007-11-26 18:25     ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-11-26 22:18       ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-27 19:00       ` Dave Jones
2007-11-27 21:09         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-27 21:15           ` Rick Jones
2007-11-27 21:38             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-28  2:01               ` Rick Jones
2007-11-27 21:25           ` Dave Jones
2007-11-27 23:00           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-11-29 16:53       ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-30  2:18         ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-29  9:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-11-29 10:00   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-29 10:21     ` Arnd Bergmann

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