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From: Michael Buesch <mb@bu3sch.de>
To: "Ray Lee" <ray-lk@madrabbit.org>
Cc: "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@elte.hu>,
	bcm43xx-dev@lists.berlios.de,
	"Daniel Walker" <dwalker@mvista.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux@bohmer.net, jonathan@jonmasters.org,
	matthias.kaehlcke@gmail.com, kjwinchester@gmail.com,
	"John Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>,
	"Larry Finger" <Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] net: wireless: bcm43xx: big_buffer_sem semaphore to mutex
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:22:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200712141922.04677.mb@bu3sch.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2c0942db0712141001l6ad77657q1dceee5cb872a979@mail.gmail.com>

On Friday 14 December 2007 19:01:51 Ray Lee wrote:
> No, I don't have module autoloading disabled. modprobe-ing b43
> automatically loads ssb. Neither, however, will load rfkill or
> rfkill-input. And if they aren't loaded, then b43/ssb are *completely*
> silent during load. Nothing to dmesg at all.

That is a bug in your distribution. I cannot fix this.
Maybe the module is blacklisted or whatever. This is _not_ a b43 bug.

> > This all works perfectly well on all of my systems. And I never heared
> > such a problem before.
> 
> WTF? Please read *YOUR OWN MESSAGE* to the bcm43xx-dev list:
> 
> https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/bcm43xx-dev/2007-December/006456.html
> 
> I'm going to blame this on you being tired or something, okay? But in
> the meantime, could you *PLEASE* start giving me the benefit of the
> doubt?

The message you quote describes a _completely_ unrelated bug.
Besides that the bug described in the message does _not_ prevent
the device from working. It does _just_ prevent some random LED from
blinking. I'd not call that a big issue.
To say it again: This message was about loading "rfkill-input" _after_
b43 was loaded successfully.

Please carefully read the messages before using them to prove me wrong.

> > If you have a PCI device probing works as follows:
> > The PCI table is in ssb. So as soon as your kernel detects the PCI device
> > it will load ssb. ssb will register the PCI device. That will trigger
> > an udev event for the contained 802.11 core to get probed. This will load
> > b43.
> >
> > So, I'm not sure where's the issue with my code here.
> 
> There's a patch from Larry Finger to address this and other issues. It
> hasn't made it's way fully upstream yet. Please read your message
> here, in particular item number seven on Larry's list:
> 
> https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/bcm43xx-dev/2007-December/006472.html

1) I sent this patch out today for inclusion in the kernel
2) This is a _completely_ unrelated issue.
   It is about "rfkill-input" being not loaded. NOT about
   "b43" or "rfkill" not being loaded.

> > If you do
> > modprobe b43
> > it will automatically load _all_ required modules.
> > It works perfectly well on my systems.
> > Try it. Simply type "modprobe b43". It will also work for you.
> 
> As I've said multiple times earlier in this thread, I did try that and
> it didn't work. Do you believe me now?

Ok, Please find out why it doesn't work.

> > > Heeeeellooooo? I tried that. It failed. What *I'm* talking about here
> > > is that this everyone needs to be aware that this is *not* a drop in
> > > replacement for bcm43xx, and if I'm having problems (not a kernel
> > > hacker, but I make my living writing code), then sheesh, you're gonna
> > > have a flood of people needing hand-holding on this.
> >
> > All problems so far were not related to the b43 sourcecode at all.
> > And I think I can not be held responsible for unrelated code or bugs
> > in the operating system scripts.
> 
> So, do you want a scorecard on this?
> 
> One problem related to b43 source code, patch exists, has yet to be
> merged upstream.

Yeah. A problem preventing a LED from blinking.
That's a real regression.... Come on. Stop that bullshit.

> One problem related to udev rules, that may or may not be fixed in the
> latest udev. I have udev version 113, which is the latest shipped in
> Ubuntu's nightly development snapshots (hardy heron). I see that
> version 117 of udev is available on kernel.org, but mine is from the
> end of June. One would think that wouldn't be so old as to be a
> complete deal breaker. Especially as bcm43xx works fine with my udev.

How can I fix that?

> With udev rules hand-edited to include the ATTRS{type}==1 Larry
> pointed out (thanks Larry), b43 also seems to create an odd extra
> device, wmaster0.

That's not b43 specific. And it is not a bug. Ignore wmaster.
It is not useful for anything from userspace.

> Same MAC as eth1, my wireless. It's just an odd 
> thing that wasn't there before with bcm43xx. May be good, may be bad,
> dunno.

Blame your distribution, please.

> And yeah, in my opinion, making the kernel play well with up-to-date
> userspace actually *is* part of your job, but then again, what do I
> know.

How the hell do I workaround broken udev scripts from within the kernel?

> Michael, you're a good guy, I believe that. You're doing unglamorous
> and mostly thankless work, and I am thankful for it. I'm afraid the
> only way I could make it glamorous is to offer to send you a fancy
> feathered outfit to wear while coding :-). But try to meet us testers
> halfway, okay? Please keep in mind that I'm really only trying to
> help.

Yeah. So PLEASE point out real bugs in MY code and do not bother
me with other peoples bugs that I simply can not fix.
In the list above there was exactly one bug for which I am responsible.
And I already sent a fix for this one.

> Now I'm going to go off, sit in the sun, sip some coffee, and think
> happy thoughts of kittens playing with yarn for a while.

Have fun.

-- 
Greetings Michael.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-12-14 18:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-12  8:00 [PATCH 1/3] ps3: vuart: fix error path locking Daniel Walker
2007-12-12  8:00 ` Daniel Walker
2007-12-12  8:00   ` Daniel Walker
2007-12-13  2:00   ` Geoff Levand
2007-12-19  1:10     ` Andrew Morton
2007-12-19  1:54       ` Daniel Walker
2007-12-19  1:54         ` Daniel Walker
2007-12-19  3:04       ` Geoff Levand
2007-12-20 19:32         ` Daniel Walker
2007-12-20 19:32           ` Daniel Walker
2007-12-20 20:06           ` Andrew Morton
2007-12-20 20:06             ` Andrew Morton
2007-12-20 20:13             ` Daniel Walker
2007-12-20 20:13               ` Daniel Walker
2007-12-12  8:00 ` [PATCH 2/3] driver base: memory: semaphore to mutex Daniel Walker
2007-12-12  8:00 ` [PATCH 3/3] net: wireless: bcm43xx: big_buffer_sem " Daniel Walker
2007-12-13  0:48   ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-13  1:17     ` Ray Lee
2007-12-13 13:45       ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-14  0:05         ` Ray Lee
2007-12-14  0:43           ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-14  0:55             ` Harvey Harrison
2007-12-14 10:45               ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-14  1:12             ` Ray Lee
2007-12-14 10:49               ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-14 11:15                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 11:39                   ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-14 12:16                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 12:31                       ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-14 12:53                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 13:08                           ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-14 16:06                             ` Ray Lee
2007-12-14 16:49                               ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-14 18:01                                 ` Ray Lee
2007-12-14 18:11                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 18:47                                     ` Ray Lee
2007-12-14 18:22                                   ` Michael Buesch [this message]
2007-12-14 18:45                                     ` Ray Lee
2007-12-14 19:05                                       ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-14 19:25                                         ` Ray Lee
2007-12-14 19:38                                           ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-14 19:55                                             ` Ray Lee
2007-12-14 20:13                                               ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-14 21:39                                                 ` Ray Lee
2007-12-14 12:59                         ` Simon Holm Thøgersen
2007-12-14 13:04                           ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-15  0:51                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-12-15  0:58                               ` Larry Finger
2007-12-15  1:59                                 ` mvtodevnull
2007-12-15  2:27                                   ` Larry Finger
2007-12-15  4:37                                     ` mvtodevnull
2007-12-15  4:39                                       ` mvtodevnull
2007-12-15  7:18                                         ` Larry Finger
2007-12-15 12:38                                           ` mvtodevnull
2007-12-17  2:17                                             ` mvtodevnull
2007-12-17  6:52                                               ` Larry Finger
2007-12-17  7:17                                                 ` mvtodevnull
2007-12-17  9:49                                                   ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-17 10:15                                                     ` mvtodevnull
2007-12-17 10:35                                                       ` mvtodevnull
2007-12-17 22:04                                                         ` mvtodevnull
2007-12-17 22:45                                                           ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-17 23:12                                                             ` mvtodevnull
2007-12-17 23:18                                                               ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-17 23:27                                                                 ` mvtodevnull
2007-12-18  1:16                                                   ` Larry Finger
2007-12-18  2:34                                                     ` mvtodevnull
2007-12-19  2:12                                                       ` mvtodevnull
2007-12-19  8:11                                                         ` Larry Finger
     [not found]                                                           ` <200712191046.54147.mb@bu3sch.de>
2007-12-19 13:48                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-15 10:57                               ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-15 23:18                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-12-15 23:27                                   ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-16  2:30                                     ` Larry Finger
2007-12-16 11:13                                       ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-16 13:56                                     ` Johannes Berg
2007-12-16 14:35                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-12-16 14:18                                         ` Johannes Berg
2007-12-14  2:09             ` Larry Finger
2007-12-14 10:56             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:14               ` John W. Linville
2007-12-14 14:40                 ` stefano.brivio
2007-12-14 16:27                   ` Ray Lee
2007-12-14 16:45                     ` Ray Lee
2007-12-14 16:59                       ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-14 17:22                         ` Ray Lee
2007-12-14 17:59                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 18:38                           ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-15  1:25                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-12-15 21:43                               ` John W. Linville
2007-12-15 23:26                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-12-16  3:20                                   ` Stefan Lippers-Hollmann
2007-12-16  9:22                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-16 11:23                                   ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-13  1:20     ` Daniel Walker
2007-12-13 10:13       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-13 11:11         ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-13 14:23           ` John W. Linville

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