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From: Al Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>,
	security@kernel.org, tytso@mit.edu,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	John Reiser <jreiser@BitWagon.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-sparse@vger.kernel.org, mpm@selenic.com,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Security] Signed divides vs shifts (Re: /dev/urandom uses uninit bytes, leaks user data)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:08:10 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071217190810.GE8181@ftp.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.9999.0712171009570.21557@woody.linux-foundation.org>

On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 10:28:38AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> [ So Al, when you said that
> 
> 	(a-b)
> 
>   is equivalent to
> 
> 	((char *)a-(char *)b)/4
> 
>   for a "int *" a and b, you're right in the sense that the *result* is 
>   the same, but the code generation likely isn't. The "a-b" thing can (and 

Sure.  And yes, I very much do prefer code that uses C as it ought to be
used and doesn't play games with casts from hell, etc.  For a lot of reasons,
both correctness- and efficiency-related.

We _do_ have such turds.  In spades.  And such places are potential timebombs,
since well-intentioned idiotic patch ("I've read in lecture notes that sizeof
is better than explicit constant, so replacement surely can only improve the
things and the best part is, I don't need to understand what I'm doing")
turns an ugly FPOS into equally ugly FPOS that silently doesn't work ;-/

[sorry about the rant, I'm about 3/4 through the drivers/net colonoscopy,
with >300Kb of patches and a pile of assorted bugs so far - and then there's
drivers/scsi to deal with.  Endianness stuff, mostly...]

      reply	other threads:[~2007-12-17 19:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-14 19:34 /dev/urandom uses uninit bytes, leaks user data John Reiser
2007-12-14 20:13 ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-14 20:45   ` John Reiser
2007-12-14 23:23     ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-15  0:30       ` John Reiser
2007-12-15  4:32         ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-17 16:30           ` John Reiser
2007-12-17 17:36             ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-18  0:52               ` Andy Lutomirski
2007-12-18  3:05                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-18  3:13                   ` David Newall
2007-12-18  3:46                     ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-18  4:09                       ` David Newall
2007-12-18  4:23                         ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-19 22:43                           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-12-19 22:40                         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-12-20  4:18                       ` Andrew Lutomirski
2007-12-20 20:17                         ` Phillip Susi
2007-12-21 16:10                           ` Andrew Lutomirski
2007-12-22  1:14                             ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-26 18:30                             ` Phillip Susi
2007-12-20 20:36                         ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-27 10:44                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-18  5:12                 ` David Schwartz
2007-12-17 20:59             ` David Schwartz
2007-12-15  7:13         ` Herbert Xu
2007-12-15 16:30           ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-17 17:28           ` Signed divides vs shifts (Re: [Security] /dev/urandom uses uninit bytes, leaks user data) Linus Torvalds
2007-12-17 17:48             ` Al Viro
2007-12-17 17:55             ` Eric Dumazet
2007-12-17 18:05               ` Ray Lee
2007-12-17 18:10                 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-12-17 18:12                   ` Ray Lee
2007-12-17 18:23               ` Al Viro
2007-12-17 18:28               ` [Security] Signed divides vs shifts (Re: " Linus Torvalds
2007-12-17 19:08                 ` Al Viro [this message]

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