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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
To: Bodo Eggert <7eggert@gmx.de>
Cc: Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@computergmbh.de>,
	devzero@web.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Force UNIX domain sockets to be built in
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:05:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071231180526.GB2360@does.not.exist> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.0.999.0712311553530.4211@be1.lrz>

On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 04:19:23PM +0100, Bodo Eggert wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 02:26:42PM +0100, Bodo Eggert wrote:
> > > On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 01:09:43PM +0100, Bodo Eggert wrote:
> 
> > > > > As suggested by Adrian Bunk, UNIX domain sockets should always be built in 
> > > > > on normal systems. This is especially true since udev needs these sockets
> > > > > and fails to run if UNIX=m.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Signed-Off-By: Bodo Eggert <7eggert@gmx.de>
> > > > > 
> > > > > ---
> > > > > Last minute change: I decided against making it a bool because embedded 
> > > > > folks might depend on a small kernel image. Edited in the patch below.
> > > > >...
> > > > 
> > > > Is this just a purely theoretical thought or is this a reasonable use 
> > > > case people actually use in practice?
> > >  
> > > For now, it's a theoretical thought, but having an embedded device, I can 
> > > see the reason for $EVERYTHING=m there.
> > 
> > The only advantage I see is that the kernel image you have to flash 
> > can be made smaller - with the disadvantage that the running kernel
> > is bigger by more than 10%.
> > 
> > If you don't believe me, try it yourself:
> > Build all drivers statically into your kernel, and then compare the 
> > vmlinux sizes with CONFIG_MODULES=n and CONFIG_MODULES=y.
> 
> If you'd aim for a small kernel image, you would build anything as a module 
> that is not requred for booting.
>...

Small kernel image to flash (e.g. due to a size limit there), if you 
would aim for a small running kernel you wouldn't use modules.

And I'm not so sure about the image size without seeing actual numbers, 
e.g. for your device.

Especially comparing your all-modular approach with a CONFIG_MODULES=n 
kernel using Denys' section garbage collection patches in both cases 
would be interesting.

I'm not claiming you are wrong, all I say is that I'm not convinced 
without actual numbers that you are right.

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-12-31 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-31 12:09 [PATCH] Force UNIX domain sockets to be built in Bodo Eggert
2007-12-31 12:20 ` David Miller
2007-12-31 14:03   ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-31 19:38     ` Al Viro
2008-01-01  3:45       ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-01  3:48         ` David Miller
2008-01-01  4:48           ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-01  5:01         ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-02 10:25           ` Herbert Xu
2008-01-02 12:26             ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-31 12:24 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-12-31 13:26   ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-31 14:42     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-12-31 15:19       ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-31 15:34         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-31 17:43           ` Patrick Mau
2007-12-31 22:20             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-31 17:51         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-12-31 18:05         ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2007-12-31 15:55       ` Torsten Kaiser
2007-12-31 15:59         ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-31 16:01           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 16:17             ` Torsten Kaiser
2007-12-31 16:38               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 17:18                 ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-31 18:37                   ` Torsten Kaiser
2007-12-31 19:05                     ` Michael Buesch
2007-12-31 16:11           ` Torsten Kaiser
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-12-31 13:23 devzero
2007-12-31 13:23 ` devzero

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