From: Charles Bailey <charles@hashpling.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Shawn O. Pearce" <spearce@spearce.org>,
Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
git@vger.kernel.org, Johannes Sixt <j.sixt@viscovery.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fix random fast-import errors when compiled with NO_MMAP
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:42:01 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080118084201.GA14763@hashpling.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.00.0801172013270.2957@woody.linux-foundation.org>
On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 08:27:08PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:
> >
> > fast-import was relying on the fact that on most systems mmap() and
> > write() are synchronized by the filesystem's buffer cache. We were
> > relying on the ability to mmap() 20 bytes beyond the current end
> > of the file, then later fill in those bytes with a future write()
> > call, then read them through the previously obtained mmap() address.
> >
> > This isn't always true with some implementations of NFS, but it is
> > especially not true with our NO_MMAP=YesPlease build time option used
> > on some platforms.
>
> In fact, even with mmap(), it's not guaranteed. There are really crappy
> mmap implementations out there, partly due to bad CPU design (virtual CPU
> caches without coherency), but more often due to total crap OS.
>
> (Yeah, Linux did count in that area at some point. Long ago. Early 90's.
> Maybe)
>
> I think HP-UX used to have non-coherent mmap for the longest time, due to
> carrying around some totally crap memory management based on some ancient
> BSD version that everybody else (including the BSD's) had long since
> jettisoned.
>
> That said, I suspect any unix you can run today (without calling it a
> retro setup) probably has coherent-enough mmap. The possible virtual cache
> coherency issue is unlikely to be able to trigger this (and not relevant
> on any sane hardware anyway).
>
> Linus
I've just checked the Mac OS X build and it looks like there is a mmap
and git is indeed using it, so this is obviously an example of a
"really crappy" mmap implementation.
This adds more ammunition to the fight against the whole Mac OS X is
powered/built/based on UNIX myth.
Charles.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-01-18 8:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-01-15 23:50 Be more careful about updating refs Linus Torvalds
2008-01-16 0:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-16 19:52 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-17 9:15 ` Charles Bailey
2008-01-17 10:52 ` Johannes Sixt
2008-01-17 11:01 ` Charles Bailey
2008-01-17 12:41 ` Johannes Sixt
2008-01-17 12:58 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 13:07 ` Charles Bailey
2008-01-18 1:43 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-18 2:01 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-18 2:13 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-01-18 2:25 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-18 2:33 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-01-18 2:58 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-01-18 3:18 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-01-18 3:22 ` Shawn O. Pearce
[not found] ` <20080118035700.GA3458@spearce.org>
2008-01-18 4:27 ` [PATCH] Fix random fast-import errors when compiled with NO_MMAP Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18 8:42 ` Charles Bailey [this message]
2008-01-18 17:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-19 3:25 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-19 3:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 3:57 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-01-18 6:10 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-21 4:10 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-01-18 7:53 ` Johannes Sixt
2008-01-18 9:26 ` Charles Bailey
2008-01-18 9:36 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-18 9:45 ` Charles Bailey
2008-01-18 10:57 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-18 2:30 ` Be more careful about updating refs Shawn O. Pearce
2008-01-17 10:56 ` Charles Bailey
2008-01-16 0:29 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-16 0:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-16 1:11 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-23 22:53 ` Sam Vilain
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