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From: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu,
	vatsa@linux.vnet.ibm.com, dhaval@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, ebiederm@xmission.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, sgrubb@redhat.com,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, ghaskins@novell.com,
	dmitry.adamushko@gmail.com, tong.n.li@intel.com,
	tglx@linutronix.de, menage@google.com, rientjes@google.com
Subject: Re: scheduler scalability - cgroups, cpusets and load-balancing
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 06:03:55 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080129060355.7d38338f.pj@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1201606284.28547.114.camel@lappy>

Paul, responding to Peter:
> > We now have a per-cpuset Boolean flag file called 'sched_load_balance'.
> 
> SD_LOAD_BALANCE, right?

No.  SD_LOAD_BALANCE is some attribute of sched domains.

The 'sched_load_balance' flag is an attribute of cpusets.

The mapping of cpusets to sched domains required several pages of 'fun
to write' code, which had to go through a couple of years of fixing and
one major rewrite before it (knock on wood) worked correctly.  It's not
a one-to-one relation, in other words.  See my earlier messages for
further explanation of how this works.

I'm not sure what SD_LOAD_BALANCE does ... I guess from a quick
read that it just optimizes the recognition of singleton sched
domains for which load balancing would be a wasted effort.


> > This 'sched_load_balance' flag is, thus far, "the" cpuset hook
> > supporting realtime.  One can use it to configure a system so that
> > the kernel does not do normal load balancing on select CPUs, such
> > as those CPUs dedicated to realtime use.
> 
> Ah, here I disagree, it is possible to do (hard) realtime scheduling
> over multiple cpus, the only draw back is that it requires a very strong
> load-balancer, making it unsuitable for large number of cpus.

I don't think we are disagreeing.  I was speaking of "normal"
load balancing (what the mainline kernel/sched.c code normally
does).  You're speaking of hard realtime load balancing.

I think we agree that these both exist, and require different
load balancing code, the latter 'very strong.'

-- 
                  I won't rest till it's the best ...
                  Programmer, Linux Scalability
                  Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com> 1.940.382.4214

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-29 12:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-29  9:53 scheduler scalability - cgroups, cpusets and load-balancing Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-29 10:01 ` Paul Jackson
2008-01-29 10:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-29 11:13     ` Paul Jackson
2008-01-29 11:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-29 11:53         ` Paul Jackson
2008-01-29 12:07           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-29 12:36             ` Paul Jackson
2008-01-29 12:03         ` Paul Jackson [this message]
2008-01-29 12:30           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-29 12:52             ` Paul Jackson
2008-01-29 13:38               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-29 10:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-29 11:30   ` Paul Jackson
2008-01-29 11:34     ` Paul Jackson
2008-01-29 11:50     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-29 12:12       ` Paul Jackson
2008-01-29 15:57         ` Gregory Haskins
2008-01-29 16:33           ` Paul Jackson
2008-01-29 15:50       ` Gregory Haskins
2008-01-29 16:51         ` Paul Jackson
2008-01-29 17:21           ` Gregory Haskins
2008-01-29 19:04             ` Paul Jackson
2008-01-29 20:36               ` Gregory Haskins
2008-01-29 21:02                 ` Paul Jackson
2008-01-29 21:07                   ` Gregory Haskins
2008-01-29 15:36     ` Gregory Haskins
2008-01-29 16:28       ` Paul Jackson
2008-01-29 16:42         ` Gregory Haskins
2008-01-29 19:37           ` Paul Jackson
2008-01-29 20:28             ` Gregory Haskins
2008-01-29 20:56               ` Paul Jackson
2008-01-29 21:02                 ` Gregory Haskins
2008-01-29 22:23                   ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-29 12:32   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2008-01-29 12:21     ` Paul Jackson

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