From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1JKCsa-0004JP-Eu for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:21:28 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JKCsV-0004HH-BP for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:21:23 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JKCsS-0004GQ-UA for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:21:22 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JKCsS-0004Fy-HS for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:21:20 -0500 Received: from aybabtu.com ([69.60.117.155]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JKCsS-0005n7-4G for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:21:20 -0500 Received: from [192.168.10.6] (helo=thorin) by aybabtu.com with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JKCsO-00046e-Q9; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:21:18 +0100 Received: from rmh by thorin with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JKCqb-0003xi-3V; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:19:25 +0100 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:19:25 +0100 From: Robert Millan To: Tristan Gingold Message-ID: <20080130131925.GA14402@thorin> References: <20080129095922.GA31756@thorin> <1201602926.479f016e27f08@imp.free.fr> <20080129113219.GA22894@thorin> <1201611409.479f22918bed6@imp.free.fr> <20080129131934.GB26291@thorin> <871w80adut.fsf@xs4all.nl> <20080129153052.GA5363@thorin> <1201624700.479f567c0784f@imp.free.fr> <20080129184829.GE12993@thorin> <20080130052309.GA2528@saphi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20080130052309.GA2528@saphi> Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Thunderbird! www.mozilla.com/thunderbird X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. Cc: The development of GRUB 2 Subject: Re: IA64 port X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:21:24 -0000 On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 06:23:09AM +0100, Tristan Gingold wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 07:48:29PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > [...] > > AFAIK, there's no standard specifiing FAT, only a few implementations that act > > de-facto as a "reference". Because of this, it is up to us to decide what is > > "standard" and what is just an OS-dependant oddity. > > There are spefications from MS, eg: > Microsoft Extensible Firmware Initiative FAT32 File System Specification, rev. 1.03, December 6, 2000, > (http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/firmware/fatgen.mspx) Ok, I have downloaded the document without accepting their license (which is completely legal where I live), and had a look it (or at least the part of it that can be deciphered from MS-Office internal format). I can't legally quote it, but it seems the requirement of case insensitivity is present. I really think it is completely broken to describe a filesystem structure saying, not how the data is organized, but how your implementation must present it to the upper layer. It is simply out of scope. Consider there was a document describing ext2 that said /dev/zero, if present, must output an endless stream of 0xff. > or even ECMA 107. Also, note that neither of these qualify as "standards". The first is a Microsoft internal document, the second is just a rubber-stamp organization. -- Robert Millan I know my rights; I want my phone call! What use is a phone call… if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.)