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From: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Ric Wheeler <ric@emc.com>,
	Benny Amorsen <benny+usenet@amorsen.dk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: writeback cache dangers Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:29:12 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080314192912.GB13733@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080314190357.GB7151@ucw.cz>

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 08:03:57PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
> 
> > The ingest rate at the time of a power hit makes a huge 
> > difference as well - basically, pulling the power cord 
> > when a box is idle is normally not harmful. Try that 
> > when you are really pounding on the disks and you will 
> > see corruptions a plenty without barriers ;-)
> 
> I tried that, and could not get a corrruption. cp -a on big kernel
> trees, on sata disk with writeback cache and no barriers... and I
> could not cause fs corruption. ext3.
> 
> I'd like to demo danger of writeback cache. What should I do?

Ext3's journal probably hides a huge number of problems.  I'd try
something with a lot more parallel modifications to metadata.  Say
postmark with a large number of threads.  It would be interesting
actually to get some controlled results of exactly how busy a
filesystem has to be before you get filesystem corruption (which I
would check explicitly running "e2fsck -f" e2fsck after pulling the
plug on the drive).

					- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-14 19:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-10  6:46 [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10  7:51 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2008-03-10  8:23   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10  9:37     ` Alan Cox
2008-03-10 21:03       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2008-03-11 11:14         ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 11:23           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2008-03-11 11:50             ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 17:26               ` Chris Friesen
2008-03-11 19:56                 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 20:53                   ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-12  8:17                     ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-12 14:41                       ` Mike Snitzer
2008-03-13 20:34                       ` Rik van Riel
2008-03-14  2:20                         ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 21:56               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2008-03-11 23:02                 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-12 13:25                   ` Benny Amorsen
2008-03-12 13:30                     ` Alan Cox
2008-03-13 15:29                       ` Benny Amorsen
2008-03-14  9:30                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-14 11:07                         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 11:41                           ` Benny Amorsen
2008-03-14 12:12                             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 12:56                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-14 15:47                               ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 16:49                                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-14 17:04                                   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 18:03                                   ` david
2008-03-14 19:03                                 ` writeback cache dangers " Pavel Machek
2008-03-14 19:29                                   ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2008-03-13  9:15                   ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2008-03-11 23:30                 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 13:27                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-13 19:02                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 19:12                     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-13 19:38                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11  4:23       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10  9:22 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-10 19:01   ` Rik van Riel
2008-03-11  4:28     ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11  3:50   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 13:32     ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-11 14:31       ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-12 13:11     ` Alan Cox
2008-03-12 17:29       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-12 18:11         ` Chris Friesen
2008-03-12 22:56           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  5:45             ` David Newall
2008-03-13  6:17               ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  6:30                 ` David Newall
2008-03-13  6:50                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  7:05                     ` David Newall
2008-03-13  7:13                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 13:32                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 20:22                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:33                         ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 21:47                           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  6:32                 ` david
2008-03-13  7:12                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  7:55                     ` david
2008-03-13  8:06                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  8:39                         ` david
2008-03-13  9:16                           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 16:25                             ` david
2008-03-13 19:32                               ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 19:50                                 ` David Newall
2008-03-13 20:03                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-14 17:53                                     ` Jeff Moyer
2008-03-15 20:26                                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 20:40                                       ` Mike Snitzer
2008-03-15 21:05                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 20:18                             ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 20:51                               ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  9:49                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  5:39         ` David Newall
2008-03-13  6:14           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 13:22             ` Alan Cox
2008-03-13 19:14               ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 20:27                 ` Rik van Riel
2008-03-14  2:23                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-14  5:22                     ` David Newall
2008-03-14  5:42                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-14 14:00                     ` John Stoffel
2008-03-15 20:59                 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-15 20:56                   ` Alan Cox
2008-03-15 21:25                     ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:08                       ` Alan Cox
2008-03-15 21:51                         ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:17                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:03                     ` Alan Cox
2008-03-15 22:00                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 23:05                         ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 21:57                           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 21:55                             ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 22:36                               ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 22:46                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 23:39                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 11:53                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-03-17  1:31                             ` David Newall
2008-03-17  2:42                               ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17  3:59                                 ` david
2008-03-17  5:52                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17  6:49                                     ` david
2008-03-17  8:16                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 10:39                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-03-17 13:52                                         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-17 14:42                                         ` david
2008-03-17 17:23                                           ` david
2008-03-17 17:30                                             ` Willy Tarreau
     [not found]                                             ` <200803180233.10156.phillips@phunq.net>
2008-03-18 13:03                                               ` David Newall
2008-03-18 16:36                                                 ` david
2008-03-31 11:40                                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-04-01  0:28                                                     ` david
2008-04-01  4:07                                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-04-01  4:23                                                         ` david
2008-04-01  6:08                                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-18 13:57                                               ` Alan Cox
2008-03-31 11:39                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17  7:14                                     ` David Newall
2008-03-17  8:25                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 18:56                                         ` David Newall
2008-03-23  9:33                                         ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-23 20:44                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:54                     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-15 22:33                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 23:22                         ` david
2008-03-15 23:57                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-15 23:22                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-16  3:33                           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16  5:24                             ` David Newall
2008-03-16 12:49                               ` Ingo Oeser
2008-03-16  6:56                             ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-16 22:12                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-16 13:14                             ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 19:04                               ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-16 22:02                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-15 23:18                     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2008-03-16  5:42                     ` David Newall
2008-03-16 20:48                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 22:15                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-16 22:38                         ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 23:08                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-16 23:43                             ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10 14:51 ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-10 18:49 ` Chris Snook
2008-03-11  5:06 ` Greg KH
2008-03-11  5:22   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11  5:48     ` david
2008-03-11  6:27     ` Greg KH
2008-03-12 12:01 ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-03-12 17:27   ` Daniel Phillips

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