From: Michael Buesch <mb@bu3sch.de>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@hmh.eng.br>,
David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>,
Richard Purdie <rpurdie@rpsys.net>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org,
Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
video4linux-list@redhat.com,
Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>,
lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org
Subject: Re: use of preempt_count instead of in_atomic() at leds-gpio.c
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:36:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200803210236.52063.mb@bu3sch.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0803202126240.11234-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
On Friday 21 March 2008 02:31:44 Alan Stern wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Mar 2008, Andrew Morton wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:36:04 -0300 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@hmh.eng.br> wrote:
> >
> > > Well, so far so good for LEDs, but what about the other users of in_atomic
> > > that apparently should not be doing it either?
> >
> > Ho hum. Lots of cc's added.
>
> ...
>
> > The usual pattern for most of the above is
> >
> > if (!in_atomic())
> > do_something_which_might_sleep();
> >
> > problem is, in_atomic() returns false inside spinlock on non-preptible
> > kernels. So if anyone calls those functions inside spinlock they will
> > incorrectly schedule and another task can then come in and try take the
> > already-held lock.
> >
> > Now, it happens that in_atomic() returns true on non-preemtible kernels
> > when running in interrupt or softirq context. But if the above code really
> > is using in_atomic() to detect am-i-called-from-interrupt and NOT
> > am-i-called-from-inside-spinlock, they should be using in_irq(),
> > in_softirq() or in_interrupt().
>
> Presumably most of these places are actually trying to detect
> am-i-allowed-to-sleep. Isn't that what in_atomic() is supposed to do?
No, I think there is no such check in the kernel. Most likely for performance
reasons, as it would require a global flag that is set on each spinlock.
You simply must always _know_, if you are allowed to sleep or not. This is
done by defining an API. The call-context is part of any kernel API.
--
Greetings Michael.
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Michael Buesch <mb-fseUSCV1ubazQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern-nwvwT67g6+6dFdvTe/nMLpVzexx5G7lz@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton
<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
<hmh-N3TV7GIv+o9fyO9Q7EP/yw@public.gmane.org>,
David Brownell <david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>,
Richard Purdie <rpurdie-Fm38FmjxZ/leoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Ingo Molnar <mingo-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>,
Geert Uytterhoeven
<geert-Td1EMuHUCqxL1ZNQvxDV9g@public.gmane.org>,
netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Martin Schwidefsky
<schwidefsky-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Heiko Carstens
<heiko.carstens-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
linux-usb-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
linux-wireless-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
video4linux-list-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
Stefan Richter
<stefanr-MtYdepGKPcBMYopoZt5u/LNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>,
lm-sensors-GZX6beZjE8VD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: use of preempt_count instead of in_atomic() at leds-gpio.c
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:36:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200803210236.52063.mb@bu3sch.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0803202126240.11234-100000-pYrvlCTfrz9XsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
On Friday 21 March 2008 02:31:44 Alan Stern wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Mar 2008, Andrew Morton wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:36:04 -0300 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh-N3TV7GIv+o9fyO9Q7EP/yw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Well, so far so good for LEDs, but what about the other users of in_atomic
> > > that apparently should not be doing it either?
> >
> > Ho hum. Lots of cc's added.
>
> ...
>
> > The usual pattern for most of the above is
> >
> > if (!in_atomic())
> > do_something_which_might_sleep();
> >
> > problem is, in_atomic() returns false inside spinlock on non-preptible
> > kernels. So if anyone calls those functions inside spinlock they will
> > incorrectly schedule and another task can then come in and try take the
> > already-held lock.
> >
> > Now, it happens that in_atomic() returns true on non-preemtible kernels
> > when running in interrupt or softirq context. But if the above code really
> > is using in_atomic() to detect am-i-called-from-interrupt and NOT
> > am-i-called-from-inside-spinlock, they should be using in_irq(),
> > in_softirq() or in_interrupt().
>
> Presumably most of these places are actually trying to detect
> am-i-allowed-to-sleep. Isn't that what in_atomic() is supposed to do?
No, I think there is no such check in the kernel. Most likely for performance
reasons, as it would require a global flag that is set on each spinlock.
You simply must always _know_, if you are allowed to sleep or not. This is
done by defining an API. The call-context is part of any kernel API.
--
Greetings Michael.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-03-21 1:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-03-16 18:43 use of preempt_count instead of in_atomic() at leds-gpio.c Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-03-16 19:46 ` David Brownell
2008-03-18 7:14 ` Andrew Morton
2008-03-18 19:06 ` David Brownell
2008-03-18 20:07 ` Andrew Morton
2008-03-20 22:56 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-03-20 23:47 ` Andrew Morton
2008-03-21 0:36 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-03-21 1:08 ` Andrew Morton
2008-03-21 1:31 ` Alan Stern
2008-03-21 1:31 ` Alan Stern
2008-03-21 1:36 ` Michael Buesch [this message]
2008-03-21 1:36 ` Michael Buesch
2008-03-21 2:27 ` Andrew Morton
2008-03-21 2:27 ` Andrew Morton
2008-03-21 3:07 ` Alan Stern
2008-03-21 3:07 ` Alan Stern
2008-03-21 3:17 ` Andrew Morton
2008-03-21 3:17 ` Andrew Morton
2008-03-21 9:53 ` Jean Delvare
2008-03-21 17:37 ` Andrew Morton
2008-03-21 18:05 ` Alan Stern
2008-03-24 19:34 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-03-24 19:42 ` Andrew Morton
2008-03-24 19:53 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-03-25 8:52 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-03-25 10:39 ` Jean Delvare
2008-03-25 13:44 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-03-25 23:20 ` David Brownell
2008-03-26 14:28 ` Alan Stern
2008-03-26 16:17 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-03-26 16:46 ` Richard Purdie
2008-03-27 18:51 ` David Brownell
2008-03-21 15:11 ` Tetsuo Handa
2008-03-21 16:54 ` Stefan Richter
2008-03-21 17:02 ` Stefan Richter
2008-03-23 5:53 ` Tetsuo Handa
2008-03-21 13:47 ` Heiko Carstens
2008-03-21 13:47 ` Heiko Carstens
2008-03-21 16:54 ` Greg KH
2008-03-21 16:54 ` Greg KH
2008-03-21 19:59 ` Andrew Morton
2008-03-21 19:59 ` Andrew Morton
2008-03-21 20:16 ` Michael Buesch
2008-03-21 20:16 ` Michael Buesch
2008-03-21 20:20 ` Michael Buesch
2008-03-21 20:20 ` Michael Buesch
2008-03-21 9:21 ` Stefan Richter
2008-03-21 9:21 ` Stefan Richter
2008-03-21 9:27 ` Stefan Richter
2008-03-21 9:27 ` Stefan Richter
2008-03-21 12:37 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-03-21 12:37 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-03-21 13:16 ` Stefan Richter
2008-03-22 11:29 ` Stefan Richter
2008-03-22 11:29 ` Stefan Richter
[not found] ` <20080320180802.426ad2d1.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-21 15:42 ` Use of in_atomic in i2c_transfer (Was: use of preempt_count instead of in_atomic() at leds-gpio.c) Jean Delvare
[not found] ` <20080321164235.26c95e17-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-21 16:00 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2008-03-21 17:04 ` use of preempt_count instead of in_atomic() at leds-gpio.c David Brownell
2008-03-21 17:04 ` David Brownell
2008-03-21 17:04 ` David Brownell
2008-03-21 0:56 ` Richard Purdie
2008-03-21 2:10 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
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