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From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Jason Baron <jbaron@redhat.com>, Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	akpm@osdl.org
Subject: Re: [patch 09/17] Add all cpus option to stop machine run
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 20:24:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080409182454.GF30885@one.firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080409181010.GA4924@martell.zuzino.mipt.ru>

On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 10:10:10PM +0400, Alexey Dobriyan wrote:
> I continue to think that all this so-called "immediate" infrastructure
> is an absolute overkill and declared D-cache line savings will _never_
> matter 

You are quite wrong on that.

> and will never be measured on real life workloads. Right now you
> claim 1 (one) cacheline saving in schedule() which can be trivially

That is just an example. Once the infrastructure is in a lot more
flags would move it into it. I think eventually most sysctls
should be immediate values for once.

> Also, my gut feeling of a guy who is also on receiveing end of bugreports
> at SWsoft that line with .text games was crossed by SMP alternatives and

You already lost -- Linux regularly rewrites itself. Ok not quite yet
but self modifying code is already wide spread and happens commonly
(e.g. with alternatives and some other cases) 

> 
> And bugs when CPU executed bullshit and silently rebooted.

So far nobody has seen that and the probably of it actually happening
is rather remote too.


> And so on.
> 
> 	Alexey, more and more liking OpenBSD
> 		where such games won't even
> 	        hit mailing lists

Maybe that is why Linux scales to large systems and OpenBSD 
doesn't ...

-Andi


  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-09 18:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-09 15:08 [patch 00/17] Text Edit Lock and Immediate Values for 2.6.25-rc8-mm1 Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-09 15:08 ` [patch 01/17] Kprobes - use a mutex to protect the instruction pages list Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-09 20:08   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-04-09 15:08 ` [patch 02/17] Kprobes - do not use kprobes mutex in arch code Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-09 20:08   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-04-09 15:08 ` [patch 03/17] Kprobes - declare kprobe_mutex static Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-09 20:08   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-04-09 15:08 ` [patch 04/17] x86 - Enhance DEBUG_RODATA support - alternatives Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-09 15:08 ` [patch 05/17] x86 Fix text_poke for vmalloced pages Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-09 15:08 ` [patch 06/17] x86 - Enhance DEBUG_RODATA support for hotplug and kprobes Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-09 15:08 ` [patch 07/17] Text Edit Lock - Architecture Independent Code Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-09 15:08 ` [patch 08/17] Text Edit Lock - kprobes architecture independent support Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-09 15:08 ` [patch 09/17] Add all cpus option to stop machine run Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-09 18:10   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-04-09 18:24     ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2008-04-10  3:34       ` Rusty Russell
2008-04-10  4:26       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-04-09 18:54     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-09 15:08 ` [patch 10/17] Immediate Values - Architecture Independent Code Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-09 15:08 ` [patch 11/17] Implement immediate update via stop_machine_run Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-10  8:04   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-04-10 20:01     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-11  4:50       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-04-09 15:08 ` [patch 12/17] Immediate Values - Kconfig menu in EMBEDDED Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-10  3:23   ` Rusty Russell
2008-04-10 19:32     ` [patch 12/17] Immediate Values - Kconfig menu in EMBEDDED (updated) Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-10 21:54       ` Rusty Russell
2008-04-14 23:52         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-09 15:08 ` [patch 13/17] Immediate Values - x86 Optimization Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-09 18:01   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-09 19:08     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-09 22:33       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-10  0:42         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-10  0:47           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-09 20:21     ` [patch 13/17] Immediate Values - x86 Optimization (updated) Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-09 22:33       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-09 23:15         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-09 15:08 ` [patch 14/17] Add text_poke and sync_core to powerpc Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-09 15:08 ` [patch 15/17] Immediate Values - Powerpc Optimization Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-09 15:08 ` [patch 16/17] Immediate Values - Documentation Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-10  3:33   ` Rusty Russell
2008-04-11  1:16     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-11 15:06       ` Rusty Russell
2008-04-15  0:12         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-11 13:44     ` [RFC PATCH] Immediate Values Support init Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-09 15:08 ` [patch 17/17] Scheduler Profiling - Use Immediate Values Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-10  4:23 ` [patch 00/17] Text Edit Lock and Immediate Values for 2.6.25-rc8-mm1 KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-04-10  7:31 ` Takashi Nishiie

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