From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1759089AbYDKW0T (ORCPT ); Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:26:19 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1756578AbYDKW0H (ORCPT ); Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:26:07 -0400 Received: from relay.2ka.mipt.ru ([194.85.82.65]:44441 "EHLO 2ka.mipt.ru" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756352AbYDKW0E (ORCPT ); Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:26:04 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:25:36 +0400 From: Evgeniy Polyakov To: Tilman Schmidt Cc: Mark Lord , Ilpo =?utf-8?B?SsOkcnZpbmVu?= , David Miller , jesper.juhl@gmail.com, yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org, Jeff Garzik , rjw@sisk.pl, LKML , Netdev Subject: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors Message-ID: <20080411222536.GA25893@2ka.mipt.ru> References: <47FEADCB.7070104@rtr.ca> <20080410.172453.44434205.davem@davemloft.net> <47FEB062.3020003@rtr.ca> <20080410.173911.179180620.davem@davemloft.net> <47FEBDAA.7010305@rtr.ca> <47FF6555.50004@rtr.ca> <20080411143537.GA27874@2ka.mipt.ru> <47FFE33C.1000707@imap.cc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47FFE33C.1000707@imap.cc> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 12:16:28AM +0200, Tilman Schmidt (tilman@imap.cc) wrote: > > Actually that will be the best decision from evolutional point of view. > > So I was right after all? Bug reports from people who (for whatever > reason, including having to earn their living) cannot do a bisect are > not welcome? You got it wrong. If bug is subtle and developers can not reproduce it, there are only two ways out of the problem: to help developers or not to help. In the latter case bug report is useless (except that to show that it exists, since practically no one can fix it until some new details added). In the former case there is a discussion between developers and reporters, so things have progress. In this particular case there were no healthy discussion, that is why all this is about. Bisection was just an example of the help, reporter can provide. In this case there were no other suggestions remotely useful or they were already tried. If you can not proceed with what was suggested, then do not piss anyone off because you were told to do something to help. If you go to the doctor because of aching throat and he asks you to open a mouth, you will not blame him for asking you to do that. -- Evgeniy Polyakov