From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1JmpnH-0001pq-J7 for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:34:19 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JmpnF-0001mr-97 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:34:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JmpnE-0001lu-FR for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:34:16 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JmpnE-0001lc-9O for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:34:16 -0400 Received: from aybabtu.com ([69.60.117.155]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JmpnD-00027e-V1 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:34:16 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.6] (helo=thorin) by aybabtu.com with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JmpnC-0003dh-0k for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:34:15 +0200 Received: from rmh by thorin with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Jmpmm-0007US-No for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:33:48 +0200 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:33:48 +0200 From: Robert Millan To: The development of GRUB 2 Message-ID: <20080418123348.GC27967@thorin> References: <48086495.1c365e0a.2f2f.107f@mx.google.com> <20080418112720.GC26239@thorin> <7ced318f0804180508j32d338ecm41763468225fe06b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <7ced318f0804180508j32d338ecm41763468225fe06b@mail.gmail.com> Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Thunderbird! www.mozilla.com/thunderbird X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. Subject: Re: TPM support with SATA drives X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:34:17 -0000 On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 02:08:59PM +0200, Laurent Dufrechou wrote: > I think in this use case it is ehicaly correct as I try to measure and > ensure my system is not corrupted. (Must be the only case where TPM chip are > good at :) ) This is true in fact. What happens here is that Treacherous Computing proponents realize they would have no case for marketing their crap if they just advertized it as "when you surrender your freedom to someone else, this device allows you to prove you have surrendered it, so that those who don't can be challenged and wiped out". So they coupled their technology with other use cases, such as making systems you own tamper-proof against illegitimate attackers. There's nothing ethically wrong with protecting yourself! But if you use their technology to do it, in a way you're supporting them. Next time you buy a motherboard, you'll demand a TPM in it; and help make sure every motherboard has a TPM in it. Then, when everyone has a TPM around, and uses a TPM-capable software stack, remote attestation can be implemented in a breeze. -- Robert Millan I know my rights; I want my phone call! What use is a phone call… if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.)