From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
rjw@sisk.pl, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jirislaby@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 13:04:31 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200805051304.31345.rusty@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080430221936.GA27292@elte.hu>
On Thursday 01 May 2008 08:19:36 Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote:
> > And the people who stick these regressions into the tree need more
> > negative reinforcement.
>
> What we need is not 'negative reinforcement'.
Over time as patches succeed more I reduce testing so I can "get things done
faster". Eventually I screw up, and get more cautious on checking. It's a
dynamic balance.
With reduced review comes sloppier code. If we can't increase review, we can
at least increase the penalty for screwing up when I do get caught.
If vger dropped all my emails for a week after I broke the kernel, I'd be far
more careful OR I'd find efficient ways to avoid doing that (like increasing
review, or automated testing). Either way, it's a win.
But I'm sure everyone else is far more disciplined than I...
Rusty.
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2008-04-30 2:03 Slow DOWN, please!!! David Miller
2008-04-30 4:03 ` David Newall
2008-04-30 4:18 ` David Miller
2008-04-30 13:04 ` David Newall
2008-04-30 13:18 ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-04-30 14:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 18:21 ` David Newall
2008-04-30 18:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 18:55 ` David Newall
2008-04-30 19:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 19:16 ` David Newall
2008-04-30 19:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 4:31 ` David Newall
2008-05-01 4:37 ` David Miller
2008-05-01 13:49 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-01 15:28 ` Kasper Sandberg
2008-05-01 17:49 ` Russ Dill
2008-05-02 1:47 ` Kasper Sandberg
2008-05-02 2:54 ` Russ Dill
2008-05-02 7:01 ` Kasper Sandberg
2008-05-02 17:34 ` Lee Mathers (TCAFS)
2008-05-02 18:21 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-02 21:34 ` Kasper Sandberg
2008-04-30 19:06 ` Chris Friesen
2008-04-30 19:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 19:22 ` David Newall
2008-04-30 19:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 7:11 ` Tarkan Erimer
2008-04-30 13:28 ` David Newall
2008-04-30 13:38 ` Mike Galbraith
2008-04-30 14:41 ` mws
2008-04-30 14:55 ` Russ Dill
2008-04-30 14:48 ` Peter Teoh
2008-04-30 19:36 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 20:00 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 20:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 20:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 20:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 20:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 23:34 ` Greg KH
2008-04-30 20:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 21:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 22:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 22:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 22:41 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 23:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 23:41 ` david
2008-04-30 23:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 0:57 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01 1:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 2:13 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01 2:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 18:54 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-14 14:55 ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-01 1:35 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-01 12:31 ` Tarkan Erimer
2008-05-01 15:34 ` Stefan Richter
2008-05-02 14:05 ` Tarkan Erimer
2008-04-30 22:46 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-30 22:52 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 23:21 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-30 23:38 ` Chris Shoemaker
2008-04-30 23:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 0:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 1:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 1:31 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-01 1:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 10:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 15:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 17:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 17:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 18:11 ` Al Viro
2008-05-01 18:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 18:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 18:58 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-01 19:37 ` Al Viro
2008-05-01 19:58 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-01 20:07 ` Joel Becker
2008-05-01 18:50 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-01 19:07 ` david
2008-05-01 19:28 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-01 19:46 ` david
2008-05-01 19:53 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-01 22:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 19:39 ` Friedrich Göpel
2008-05-01 21:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-02 12:17 ` Stefan Richter
2008-05-01 18:35 ` Chris Frey
2008-05-02 13:22 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-05-01 1:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 1:51 ` David Miller
2008-05-01 2:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 2:17 ` David Miller
2008-05-01 2:21 ` Al Viro
2008-05-01 5:19 ` david
2008-05-04 3:26 ` Rene Herman
2008-05-01 2:31 ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-05-01 18:32 ` Stephen Clark
2008-05-01 3:53 ` Frans Pop
2008-05-01 11:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 14:28 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-01 12:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 15:06 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-01 5:50 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-01 11:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 12:11 ` Will Newton
2008-05-01 13:16 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2008-05-01 13:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 14:35 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2008-05-01 15:29 ` Ray Lee
2008-05-01 19:03 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-01 19:36 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-05-01 1:30 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-05-01 5:35 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-30 23:03 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 22:40 ` david
2008-04-30 23:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 23:57 ` david
2008-05-01 0:01 ` Chris Shoemaker
2008-05-01 0:14 ` david
2008-05-01 0:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 1:39 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-05-01 0:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01 0:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 1:25 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01 12:05 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 13:54 ` Stefan Richter
2008-05-01 14:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 23:29 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-01 1:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-01 2:52 ` Frans Pop
2008-05-01 3:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 4:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-01 4:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-04 13:47 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-05-04 15:05 ` Jacek Luczak
2008-05-01 9:17 ` Alan Cox
2008-04-30 20:15 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 20:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 20:47 ` Dan Noe
2008-04-30 20:59 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 21:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 21:37 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 22:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 22:53 ` Mariusz Kozlowski
2008-04-30 23:11 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-12 9:27 ` Ben Dooks
2008-05-02 10:20 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-02 15:33 ` Mariusz Kozlowski
2008-04-30 20:54 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 21:21 ` David Miller
2008-04-30 21:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 22:02 ` Dmitri Vorobiev
2008-04-30 22:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-30 22:22 ` David Miller
2008-04-30 22:39 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 22:54 ` david
2008-04-30 23:12 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-30 23:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 0:15 ` Chris Shoemaker
2008-05-01 5:09 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-30 22:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-30 22:49 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 22:51 ` David Miller
2008-05-01 1:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-01 2:48 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-05 3:04 ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2008-05-02 13:37 ` Helge Hafting
2008-04-30 21:42 ` Dmitri Vorobiev
2008-04-30 22:06 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-30 22:10 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 22:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 22:28 ` Dmitri Vorobiev
2008-05-01 16:26 ` Diego Calleja
2008-05-01 16:31 ` Dmitri Vorobiev
2008-05-02 1:48 ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-05-01 23:06 ` Kevin Winchester
2008-04-30 23:04 ` Dmitri Vorobiev
2008-05-01 15:19 ` Jim Schutt
2008-05-01 6:15 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-05-09 9:28 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-05-09 15:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-30 21:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-01 3:24 ` Bob Tracy
2008-05-01 16:39 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-05-01 0:31 ` RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies Adrian Bunk
2008-04-30 7:03 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-01 8:13 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 14:15 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-01 12:42 ` David Woodhouse
2008-04-30 15:02 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-05 10:03 ` Benny Halevy
2008-05-04 12:45 ` Rene Herman
2008-05-04 13:00 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-05-04 13:19 ` Rene Herman
2008-05-05 13:13 ` crosscompiler [WAS: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies] Enrico Weigelt
2008-05-01 9:16 ` RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies Frans Pop
2008-05-01 10:30 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-05-01 13:02 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01 11:30 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-30 14:20 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-01 12:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 13:21 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01 15:49 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-01 1:13 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-02 9:00 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01 16:38 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-05-01 17:18 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-01 17:24 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-01 19:26 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-01 19:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-05-02 10:23 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-02 2:08 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-02 3:10 ` Josh Boyer
2008-05-02 4:09 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-02 8:29 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-02 10:16 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-02 11:58 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-02 14:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-02 15:44 ` Carlos R. Mafra
2008-05-02 16:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-02 17:15 ` Carlos R. Mafra
2008-05-02 18:02 ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2008-05-09 16:32 ` Mark Lord
2008-05-09 19:30 ` Carlos R. Mafra
2008-05-09 20:39 ` Mark Lord
2008-05-01 0:41 ` David Miller
2008-05-01 13:23 ` Adrian Bunk
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2008-04-30 20:59 Slow DOWN, please!!! devzero
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