From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>
Cc: Sage Weil <sage@newdream.net>, Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: POHMELFS high performance network filesystem. Transactions, failover, performance.
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:28:37 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080514222837.GF23758@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080514220252.GA14378@2ka.mipt.ru>
Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
> > Look up Bittorrent, and bandwidth diffusion generally. Also look up
> > multicast trees.
> >
> > Sometimes it's faster for a client to send to many servers; sometimes
> > it's faster to send fewer and have them relayed by intermediaries -
> > because every packet takes time to transmit, and network topologies
> > aren't always homogenous or symmetric.
> >
> > There is no simple answer which is optimal for all networks.
>
> Yep, having multiple connections is worse for high-performance networks
> and is a great win for long latency links.
Not just long latency. If you have a low latency link which is very
busy, perhaps a client doing lots of requests, or doing other things,
that pushes up the _effective_ latency.
> > If you have a single data forwarder elected per client, then if one
> > client generates a lot of traffic, you concentrate a lot of traffic to
> > one network link and one CPU. Sometimes it's better to elect several
> > leaders per client, and hash requests onto them. You diffuse CPU and
> > traffic, but reduce opportunities to aggregate transactions into fewer
> > message. It's an interesting problem, again probably with different
> > optimal results for different networks.
>
> Probably idea I described in other mail to Jeff, when client just
> connects to number of servers and can process command of adding/dropping
> server from that group, and balances reading between them and sends
> writes/metadata update to all of them, and all logic behind that group
> selection is hidded in the servers cloud, is the best choice...
I think that's a fine choice, but it doesn't solve difficult
problems. You still have to implement the server cloud. :-)
It's possible that implementing server cloud protocol _and_ simple
client protocol may be more work than just server cloud protocol. I'm
not sure. Thoughts welcome.
-- Jamie
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-05-14 22:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-05-13 17:45 POHMELFS high performance network filesystem. Transactions, failover, performance Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-13 19:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-13 20:51 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 0:52 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 1:16 ` Florian Wiessner
2008-05-14 8:10 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 7:57 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 13:35 ` Sage Weil
2008-05-14 13:52 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 14:31 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 15:00 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 19:08 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 19:32 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 20:37 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 21:19 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 21:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 21:32 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 21:37 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 21:43 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 22:02 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 22:28 ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2008-05-14 22:45 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-15 1:10 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-15 7:34 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 19:05 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 21:38 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 19:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 19:38 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 21:57 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 22:06 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 22:41 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 22:50 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 22:32 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 14:09 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 16:09 ` Sage Weil
2008-05-14 19:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 21:19 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 18:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 20:00 ` Sage Weil
2008-05-14 21:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-14 22:26 ` Sage Weil
2008-05-14 22:35 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-14 6:33 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-14 7:40 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 8:01 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-14 8:31 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 8:08 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 13:41 ` Sage Weil
2008-05-14 13:56 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-05-14 17:56 ` Andrew Morton
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