From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S936671AbYEURp6 (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 May 2008 13:45:58 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S935480AbYEURoY (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 May 2008 13:44:24 -0400 Received: from smtp1.linux-foundation.org ([140.211.169.13]:41606 "EHLO smtp1.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S936407AbYEURoW (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 May 2008 13:44:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:44:18 -0700 From: Andrew Morton To: Al Viro Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net Subject: Re: CFD: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org (was [PATCH] Standard indentation of arguments) Message-Id: <20080521104418.736e3379.akpm@linux-foundation.org> In-Reply-To: <20080521094153.GN28946@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> References: <12113495282137-git-send-email-kongjianjun@gmail.com> <20080521083413.GM28946@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <20080521015037.add0b78e.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080521094153.GN28946@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.8 (GTK+ 2.12.5; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 21 May 2008 10:41:54 +0100 Al Viro wrote: > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 01:50:37AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote: > > On Wed, 21 May 2008 09:34:13 +0100 Al Viro wrote: > > > > > This is a call for discussion for new maillist on vger. > > > > > > List name: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org > > > > Oh, what a marvellous way to encourage new contributors that was. Thank > > you so much. > > > > For the record: Al speaks only for himself and a lack of expressed > > disagrement from others should not be taken as agreement. > > Of course I speak for myself. And I am absolutely open about my belief > that such _contribution_s_ need to be discouraged. Actively. There are good ways in which to communicate that and there are bad ways. Look. This has absolutely nothing to do with that patch. Don't care, doesn't matter, irrelevant, not even going to discuss it in this context. I have spoken with engineers both individual and within companies who have developed and who plan to develop substantial kernel features. I'm forever explaining to people why they should work to get that code merged up. One reason for their not yet having done so which comes up again and again is apprehension at the reception they will receive. In public. This problem appears to be especially strong in Asian countries. You have just made the situation worse. But it's not just a self-interest thing. It is inevitably and unavoidably the case that when one senior kernel developer acts like an arrogant hostile dickhead, we will all be increasingly regarded as arrogant hostile dickheads.