From: Michael Buesch <mb@bu3sch.de>
To: Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org>
Cc: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, aoliva@redhat.com,
alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, Abhay Salunke <Abhay_Salunke@dell.com>,
kay.sievers@vrfy.org, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] firmware: Add CONFIG_BUILTIN_FIRMWARE option
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 20:27:50 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200805252027.51377.mb@bu3sch.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7BD202F0-0E0E-495D-93CA-45F2E5AA8065@holtmann.org>
On Sunday 25 May 2008 20:15:13 Marcel Holtmann wrote:
> don't give me that crap. Nobody plans to break everything just right
> now and leave people hanging in between. We will do a smooth
> transition. Your users won't even notice it.
Right. I will forward any complain mail to you then.
This is not the first time we (need to) change the firmware ABI, so I
pretty much know what I'm talking about.
I still didn't see a single valid reason in the whole thread that explains
why we suddenly have to forbid the use of the "/" character. (and that's
really what my problem only is about)
> And we change the API/ABI all the time. Get used to it.
Right. And endusers are really scared by it.
Other operating systems out there can live without ABI breakage for 10 years.
Breakage example? I have a server running Ubuntu Dapper. I'm running a 2.6.23 kernel on
it and it complains that several features used by the dapper udev will go away in
a future kernel release. So if I want to update the kernel (security update or
for whatever reason) I need to upgrade the whole distribution, basically.
That is OK and I will do this. But this just shows that we really must try hard
to avoid breaking the udev ABI.
And I don't see this happening here.
--
Greetings Michael.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-05-25 18:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-05-23 13:44 [PATCH 1/3] firmware: allow firmware files to be built into kernel image David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 13:46 ` [PATCH 2/3] firmware: Add CONFIG_BUILTIN_FIRMWARE option David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 13:50 ` [PATCH 2/3] firmware: convert korg1212 driver to use firmware loader exclusively David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 14:56 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-05-23 14:59 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 16:41 ` [PATCH 2/3] firmware: Add CONFIG_BUILTIN_FIRMWARE option Sam Ravnborg
2008-05-23 17:13 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 18:07 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 18:11 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-05-24 14:46 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-24 15:22 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-05-24 15:25 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-24 15:34 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-24 18:18 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-24 19:23 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-24 19:31 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 9:30 ` Johannes Berg
2008-05-25 9:49 ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-25 11:54 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 12:14 ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-25 13:16 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-25 13:46 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-25 18:07 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 11:49 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 11:59 ` Johannes Berg
2008-05-25 13:12 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 13:40 ` Johannes Berg
2008-05-25 18:12 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 18:18 ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-25 18:28 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-26 8:57 ` Johannes Berg
2008-05-25 12:05 ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-25 13:19 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 13:45 ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-25 18:15 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 18:27 ` Michael Buesch [this message]
2008-05-25 18:34 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 14:13 ` Johannes Berg
2008-05-25 14:18 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-25 14:22 ` Johannes Berg
2008-05-25 18:23 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 18:39 ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-25 18:46 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 18:53 ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-25 19:03 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 19:21 ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-26 8:52 ` Johannes Berg
2008-05-25 17:17 ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-25 18:49 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 19:53 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-26 3:30 ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-25 18:49 ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-25 19:01 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 19:09 ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-26 3:13 ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-26 12:53 ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-26 13:08 ` Johannes Berg
2008-05-26 17:09 ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-26 17:11 ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-23 14:53 ` [PATCH 1/3] firmware: allow firmware files to be built into kernel image Takashi Iwai
2008-05-23 14:58 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 15:19 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-05-23 15:25 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 15:33 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-23 17:21 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 19:14 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 19:42 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 20:31 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-23 21:04 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 23:28 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 14:56 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-23 15:11 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 15:00 ` Clemens Ladisch
2008-05-23 15:20 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 15:32 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-23 16:21 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-05-23 16:37 ` David Dillow
2008-05-23 16:38 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-23 16:44 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-05-23 16:53 ` Rene Herman
2008-05-23 17:06 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 17:49 ` David Woodhouse
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=200805252027.51377.mb@bu3sch.de \
--to=mb@bu3sch.de \
--cc=Abhay_Salunke@dell.com \
--cc=alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk \
--cc=aoliva@redhat.com \
--cc=dwmw2@infradead.org \
--cc=johannes@sipsolutions.net \
--cc=kay.sievers@vrfy.org \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=marcel@holtmann.org \
--cc=sam@ravnborg.org \
--cc=tiwai@suse.de \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.