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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	venkatesh.pallipadi@intel.com, suresh.b.siddha@intel.com,
	Michael Neuling <mikey@neuling.org>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Amit K. Arora" <aarora@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 0/3] Scaled statistics using APERF/MPERF in x86
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 09:40:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080527094035.67ccda32@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080527140440.GD5181@dirshya.in.ibm.com>

On Tue, 27 May 2008 19:34:40 +0530
Vaidyanathan Srinivasan <svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> What we are proposing is a scaled time value that is scaled to the
> current CPU capacity.  If the scaled utilisation is 50% when the CPU
> is at 100% capacity, it is expected to remain at 50% even if the CPU's
> capacity is dropped to 50%, while the traditional utilisation value
> will be 100%.

When you use the word "capacity" I cringe ;(

> 
> The problem in the above two cases is that we had assumed that the
> maximum CPU capacity is 100% at normal capacity (without IDA).
> 
> If the CPU is at half the maximum frequency, then scaled stats should
> show 50%.  

see frequency != capacity.
It's about more than frequency. It's about how much cache you have
available too. If  you run single threaded on a dual core cpu, you have
100% of the cache, but the cpu is 50% idle. But that doesn't mean that
when you double the load, you actually get 2x the performance. So
you're not at 50% of capacity!



> The point I am trying to make is whether scaling should be done
> relative to CPUs designed maximum capacity or maximum capacity under
> current constraints is to be discussed.

now you're back at "capacity".. we were at frequency before ;(


> 
> Case A:
> ------
> 
> Scaled stats is stats relative to maximum designed capacity including
> IDA

you don't know what that is though.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-27 16:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-26 14:31 [RFC PATCH v1 0/3] Scaled statistics using APERF/MPERF in x86 Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-26 14:31 ` [RFC PATCH v1 1/3] General framework for APERF/MPERF access and accounting Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-26 18:11   ` Balbir Singh
2008-05-27 14:54     ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-26 14:31 ` [RFC PATCH v1 2/3] Make calls to account_scaled_stats Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-26 18:18   ` Balbir Singh
2008-05-27 15:02     ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-29 15:18   ` Michael Neuling
2008-05-29 18:23     ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-26 14:31 ` [RFC PATCH v1 3/3] Print scaled utime and stime in getdelays Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-26 15:50 ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/3] Scaled statistics using APERF/MPERF in x86 Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-26 17:24   ` Balbir Singh
2008-05-26 18:00     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-26 18:36       ` Balbir Singh
2008-05-26 18:51         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-27 12:59           ` Balbir Singh
2008-05-27 13:19             ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-27 14:15               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-27 15:27                 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-31 21:27             ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-02 17:54               ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-06-03  2:20                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-27 13:29           ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-27 14:19             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-27 15:20               ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-27 14:04   ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-27 16:40     ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2008-05-27 18:26       ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-31 21:17     ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-31 21:13   ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-02  6:08     ` Balbir Singh

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