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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Mike Travis <travis@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 04/41] cpu ops: Core piece for generic atomic per cpu operations
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:00:41 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200806021200.41652.rusty@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805301055270.14564@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On Saturday 31 May 2008 04:00:40 Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Fri, 30 May 2008, Rusty Russell wrote:
> > > No its not! In order to increment a per cpu value you need to calculate
> > > the per cpu pointer address in the current per cpu segment.
> >
> > Christoph, you just missed it, that's all.  Look at cpu_local_read et al
> > in include/asm-i386/local.h (ie. before the x86 mergers chose the lowest
> > common denominator one).
>
> There is no doubt that local_t does perform an atomic vs. interrupt inc
> for example. But its not usable. Because you need to determine the address
> of the local_t belonging to the current processor first.

Christoph!

STOP typing, and START reading.

cpu_local_inc() does all this: it takes the name of a local_t var, and is 
expected to increment this cpu's version of that.  You ripped this out and 
called it CPU_INC().

Do not make me explain it a third time.

> As soon as you 
> have loaded a processor specific address you can no longer be preempted
> because that may change the processor and then the wrong address may be
> increment (and then we have a race again since now we are incrementing
> counters belonging to other processors). So local_t at mininum requires
> disabling preempt.

Think for a moment.  What are the chances that I didn't understand this when I 
wrote the multiple implementations of local_t?

You are wasting my time explaining the obvious, and wasting your own.

> Believe me I have tried to use local_t repeatedly for vm statistics etc.
> It always fails on that issue.

Frankly, I am finding it increasingly easy to believe that you failed.  But 
you are blaming the wrong thing.

There are three implementations of local_t which are obvious.  The best is for 
architectures which can locate and increment a per-cpu var in one instruction 
(eg. x86).  Otherwise, using atomic_t/atomic64_t for local_t provides a 
general solution.  The other general solution would involve 
local_irq_disable()/increment/local_irq_enable().

My (fading) hope is that this idiocy is an abberation,
Rusty.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-02  3:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 204+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-30  3:56 [patch 00/41] cpu alloc / cpu ops v3: Optimize per cpu access Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 01/41] cpu_alloc: Increase percpu area size to 128k Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-02 17:58   ` Luck, Tony
2008-06-02 17:58     ` Luck, Tony
2008-06-02 23:48     ` Rusty Russell
2008-06-10 17:22     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-10 19:54       ` Luck, Tony
2008-06-10 19:54         ` Luck, Tony
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 02/41] cpu alloc: The allocator Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  4:58   ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-30  5:10     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  5:31       ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-02  9:29         ` Paul Jackson
2008-05-30  5:56       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-05-30  6:16         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-04 14:48     ` Mike Travis
2008-05-30  5:04   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-05-30  5:20     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  5:52       ` Rusty Russell
2008-06-04 15:30         ` Mike Travis
2008-06-05 23:48           ` Rusty Russell
2008-05-30  5:54       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-06-04 14:58       ` Mike Travis
2008-06-04 15:11         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-06-06  0:32           ` Rusty Russell
2008-06-10 17:33         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-10 18:05           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-06-10 18:28             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  5:46   ` Rusty Russell
2008-06-04 15:04     ` Mike Travis
2008-06-10 17:34       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-31 20:58   ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 03/41] cpu alloc: Use cpu allocator instead of the builtin modules per cpu allocator Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  4:58   ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-30  5:14     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  5:34       ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-30  6:08   ` Rusty Russell
2008-05-30  6:21     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 04/41] cpu ops: Core piece for generic atomic per cpu operations Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  4:58   ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-30  5:17     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  5:38       ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-30  6:12         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  7:08           ` Rusty Russell
2008-05-30 18:00             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-02  2:00               ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2008-06-04 18:18                 ` Mike Travis
2008-06-05 23:59                   ` Rusty Russell
2008-06-09 19:00                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-09 23:27                       ` Rusty Russell
2008-06-09 23:54                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-10  2:56                           ` Rusty Russell
2008-06-10  3:18                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-11  0:03                               ` Rusty Russell
2008-06-11  0:15                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-09 23:09                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-10 17:42                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-11 11:10                   ` Rusty Russell
2008-06-11 23:39                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-12  0:58                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-12  2:44                         ` Rusty Russell
2008-06-12  3:40                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-12  9:37                             ` Martin Peschke
2008-06-12 11:21                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-12 17:19                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-13  0:38                                   ` Rusty Russell
2008-06-13  2:27                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-15 10:33                                       ` Rusty Russell
2008-06-16 14:52                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-17  0:24                                           ` Rusty Russell
2008-06-17  2:29                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-17 14:21                                             ` Mike Travis
2008-05-30  7:05         ` Rusty Russell
2008-05-30  6:32       ` Rusty Russell
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 05/41] cpu alloc: Percpu_counter conversion Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  6:47   ` Rusty Russell
2008-05-30 17:54     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 06/41] cpu alloc: crash_notes conversion Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 07/41] cpu alloc: Workqueue conversion Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 08/41] cpu alloc: ACPI cstate handling conversion Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 09/41] cpu alloc: Genhd statistics conversion Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 10/41] cpu alloc: blktrace conversion Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 11/41] cpu alloc: SRCU cpu alloc conversion Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 12/41] cpu alloc: XFS counter conversion Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 13/41] cpu alloc: NFS statistics Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 14/41] cpu alloc: Neigbour statistics Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 15/41] cpu_alloc: Convert ip route statistics Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 16/41] cpu alloc: Tcp statistics conversion Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 17/41] cpu alloc: Convert scratches to cpu alloc Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 18/41] cpu alloc: Dmaengine conversion Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 19/41] cpu alloc: Convert loopback statistics Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 20/41] cpu alloc: Veth conversion Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 21/41] cpu alloc: Chelsio statistics conversion Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 22/41] cpu alloc: Convert network sockets inuse counter Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 23/41] cpu alloc: Use it for infiniband Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 24/41] cpu alloc: Use in the crypto subsystem Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 25/41] cpu alloc: scheduler: Convert cpuusage to cpu_alloc Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 26/41] cpu alloc: Convert mib handling to cpu alloc Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  6:47   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-05-30 18:01     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 27/41] cpu alloc: Remove the allocpercpu functionality Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  4:58   ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 28/41] Module handling: Use CPU_xx ops to dynamically allocate counters Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 29/41] x86_64: Use CPU ops for nmi alert counter Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 30/41] Remove local_t support Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 31/41] VM statistics: Use CPU ops Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 32/41] cpu alloc: Use in slub Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 33/41] cpu alloc: Remove slub fields Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 34/41] cpu alloc: Page allocator conversion Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 35/41] Support for CPU ops Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  4:58   ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-30  5:18     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 36/41] Zero based percpu: Infrastructure to rebase the per cpu area to zero Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 37/41] x86_64: Fold pda into per cpu area Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 38/41] x86: Extend percpu ops to 64 bit Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56 ` [patch 39/41] x86: Replace cpu_pda() using percpu logic and get rid of _cpu_pda() Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:57 ` [patch 40/41] x86: Replace xxx_pda() operations with x86_xx_percpu() Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:57   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:57 ` [patch 41/41] x86_64: Support for cpu ops Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  3:57   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  4:58 ` [patch 00/41] cpu alloc / cpu ops v3: Optimize per cpu access Andrew Morton
2008-05-30  5:03   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  5:21     ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-30  5:27       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  5:49         ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-30  6:16           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  6:51             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-05-30 14:38         ` Mike Travis
2008-05-30 17:50           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30 18:00             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-30 18:12               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  6:01       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-05-30  6:16         ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-30  6:22           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30  6:37             ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-30 11:32               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-04 15:07   ` Mike Travis
2008-06-06  5:33     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-06-06 13:08       ` Mike Travis
2008-06-08  6:00       ` Rusty Russell
2008-06-09 18:44       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-09 19:11         ` Andi Kleen
2008-06-09 20:15           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-05-30  9:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-30  9:18   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-30 18:11     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30 18:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-30 18:56         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30 19:13           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-01  3:25             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-01  8:19               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-30 18:06   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30 18:19     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-30 18:26       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30 18:47         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-30 19:10           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30 19:21             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-30 19:35               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-01  3:27               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30 18:08   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30 18:39     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-30 18:51       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-30 19:00         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-30 19:11           ` Christoph Lameter

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