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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Hidehiro Kawai <hidehiro.kawai.ez@hitachi.com>,
	sct@redhat.com, adilger@sun.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, jbacik@redhat.com, cmm@us.ibm.com,
	tytso@mit.edu, yumiko.sugita.yf@hitachi.com,
	satoshi.oshima.fk@hitachi.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] jbd: strictly check for write errors on data buffers
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:19:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080604111911.c1fe09c6.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080604101925.GB16572@duck.suse.cz>

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:19:25 +0200 Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz> wrote:

> On Tue 03-06-08 15:30:50, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:43:57 +0900
> > Hidehiro Kawai <hidehiro.kawai.ez@hitachi.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > In ordered mode, we should abort journaling when an I/O error has
> > > occurred on a file data buffer in the committing transaction.
> > 
> > Why should we do that?
>   I see two reasons:
> 1) If fs below us is returning IO errors, we don't really know how severe
> it is so it's safest to stop accepting writes. Also user notices the
> problem early this way. I agree that with the growing size of disks and
> thus probability of seeing IO error, we should probably think of something
> cleverer than this but aborting seems better than just doing nothing.
> 
> 2) If the IO error is just transient (i.e., link to NAS is disconnected for
> a while), we would silently break ordering mode guarantees (user could be
> able to see old / uninitialized data).
> 

Does any other filesystem driver turn the fs read-only on the first
write-IO-error?

It seems like a big policy change to me.  For a lot of applications
it's effectively a complete outage and people might get a bit upset if
this happens on the first blip from their NAS.

<waves vigorously at linux-ext4 people>

  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-04 18:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-02 10:40 [PATCH 0/5] jbd: possible filesystem corruption fixes (take 2) Hidehiro Kawai
2008-06-02 10:43 ` [PATCH 1/5] jbd: strictly check for write errors on data buffers Hidehiro Kawai
2008-06-03 22:30   ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-04 10:19     ` Jan Kara
2008-06-04 18:19       ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2008-06-04 21:22         ` Theodore Tso
2008-06-04 21:58           ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-04 22:51             ` Theodore Tso
2008-06-05  9:35               ` Jan Kara
2008-06-05  9:35                 ` Jan Kara
2008-06-05 11:33                 ` Hidehiro Kawai
2008-06-05 14:29                   ` Theodore Tso
2008-06-05 16:20                     ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-05 18:49                       ` Andreas Dilger
2008-06-09 10:09                         ` Hidehiro Kawai
2008-06-11 12:35                           ` Jan Kara
2008-06-12 13:19                             ` Hidehiro Kawai
2008-06-05  3:28           ` Mike Snitzer
2008-06-05  3:28             ` Mike Snitzer
2008-06-04 21:58         ` Andreas Dilger
2008-06-04 10:53     ` Hidehiro Kawai
2008-06-02 10:45 ` [PATCH 2/5] jbd: ordered data integrity fix Hidehiro Kawai
2008-06-02 11:59   ` Jan Kara
2008-06-03 22:33   ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-04 10:55     ` Hidehiro Kawai
2008-06-02 10:46 ` [PATCH 3/5] jbd: abort when failed to log metadata buffers Hidehiro Kawai
2008-06-02 12:00   ` Jan Kara
2008-06-03 22:35   ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-04 10:57     ` Hidehiro Kawai
2008-06-02 10:47 ` [PATCH 4/5] jbd: fix error handling for checkpoint io Hidehiro Kawai
2008-06-02 12:44   ` Jan Kara
2008-06-03  4:31     ` Hidehiro Kawai
2008-06-03  4:40     ` Hidehiro Kawai
2008-06-03  5:11       ` Hidehiro Kawai
2008-06-03  5:20         ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-03  8:02       ` Jan Kara
2008-06-23 11:14         ` Hidehiro Kawai
2008-06-23 12:22           ` Jan Kara
2008-06-24 11:52             ` Hidehiro Kawai
2008-06-24 13:33               ` Jan Kara
2008-06-27  8:06                 ` Hidehiro Kawai
2008-06-27 10:24                   ` Jan Kara
2008-06-30  5:09                     ` Hidehiro Kawai
2008-07-07 10:07                       ` Jan Kara
2008-06-02 10:48 ` [PATCH 5/5] ext3: abort ext3 if the journal has aborted Hidehiro Kawai
2008-06-02 12:49   ` Jan Kara
2008-06-02 12:05 ` [PATCH 0/5] jbd: possible filesystem corruption fixes (take 2) Jan Kara
2008-06-03  4:30   ` Hidehiro Kawai

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