From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KElus-0003T1-3Z for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:05:38 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KEluq-0003Sr-0p for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:05:36 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KEluo-0003Sf-KH for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:05:35 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40591 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KEluo-0003Sc-Ey for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:05:34 -0400 Received: from aybabtu.com ([69.60.117.155]:43778) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KEluo-0007a3-0T for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:05:34 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (helo=thorin) by aybabtu.com with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KElqn-0001HG-1y for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:01:25 +0200 Received: from rmh by thorin with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KEluC-0000lM-BV for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:04:56 +0200 Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 16:04:56 +0200 From: Robert Millan To: The development of GRUB 2 Message-ID: <20080704140456.GA2663@thorin> References: <20080701204816.GA31206@thorin> <1214954927.9353.91.camel@localhost> <20080702142245.GA21064@thorin> <1215027160.9353.125.camel@localhost> <20080703140211.GA19341@thorin> <1215104875.8123.23.camel@localhost> <20080704000829.GE4074@thorin> <1215135163.26019.44.camel@localhost> <1215167690.26019.78.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1215167690.26019.78.camel@localhost> Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Thunderbird! www.mozilla.com/thunderbird X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. Subject: Re: grub-probe detects ext4 wronly as ext2 X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:05:36 -0000 On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 12:34:50PM +0200, Javier Martín wrote: > > And, grub WILL follow the evolution the extN, because it's the primary > > boot loader for linux. The only reason we don't have ext4 support at > > present is because it's not stable. If major distro starts to use it > > as default, we would have to support it as well. > Please... ReiserFS was used for long in many distros and GRUB2 didn't > support it until 1.96 - even with GRUB Legacy having implemented it long > ago. I literally waited years for it to be included! This is not a good example. We were (and still are, though almost finished) in the process of transitioning from GRUB Legacy to GRUB 2. ReiserFS authors weren't compelled to contribute a driver for GRUB 2 the same way they had been to contribute it for GRUB Legacy. > Besides, as I > already said, we cannot win in a race against the future: new features, > some of them incompatible, are introduced ""constantly"" (every few > years) in extN, and until we get to know about them and at least decide > whether they can be safely ignored, the sane behavior is to obey them > and reject access (except if the user override is enabled). Yes, we can > implement ext4 and possibly even before it's released as stable, but > could you please start implementing ext7 so that we don't have to worry > about its incompatibilities when it comes? If this is really to be considered a problem, we might as well be conservative in both grub-probe and real GRUB, and reject unknown flags. Not a big deal, since unknown flags aren't really going to use their "experimental" status untill mainstream distributions support them, and this includes GRUB. -- Robert Millan I know my rights; I want my phone call! What good is a phone call… if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.)