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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Dmitry Adamushko <dmitry.adamushko@gmail.com>,
	Vegard Nossum <vegard.nossum@gmail.com>,
	Paul Menage <menage@google.com>,
	Max Krasnyansky <maxk@qualcomm.com>, Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	miaox@cn.fujitsu.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: current linux-2.6.git: cpusets completely broken
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:42:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080713174252.GA13115@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0807130943530.2959@woody.linux-foundation.org>


* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> The thing is, we should fix the top level code to never even 
> _consider_ an invalid CPU as a target, and that in turn should mean 
> that all the other code should be able to just totally ignore CPU 
> hotplug events.

agreed. We thought we could get away by hiding the "is the CPU dead" 
information in existing data structures (by shaping sched domains to 
never lead to a dead CPU) - but this method has proven itself fragile 
via a series of bugs.

It was one micro-optimization one too many. We should just accept the 
fact that the current model is not maintainable and add your extra (and 
trivial) cpu_active_map layer that protects against migrating to CPUs 
that are going down. [we'll basically introduce a "going down" state 
inbetween 'online' and 'offline']

And this will get rid of some other fragile trickery - because from that 
point on we dont have to be super-careful about the whole sequence of 
manipulating sched domains anymore. Cpusets can do whatever it wants, it 
wont be able to break hotplug+scheduling - and that's important for any 
functionality that is not used by default.

[ I dont think Dmitry will disagree with this notion all that much, it's
  just that his personal limit for calling an algorithm unmaintainable
  is probably a lot higher than normal :-) ]

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-13 17:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-11 19:07 current linux-2.6.git: cpusets completely broken Vegard Nossum
2008-07-11 19:36 ` Paul Menage
2008-07-11 19:43   ` Vegard Nossum
2008-07-11 20:07     ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-07-11 23:03     ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-11 23:19       ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-07-11 23:53         ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-12  3:17       ` Vegard Nossum
2008-07-12  3:28         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-12 10:00           ` Miao Xie
2008-07-12 11:05             ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-12 19:15             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-12 10:04           ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-12 19:19             ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-07-12 20:10             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-12 21:30               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-12 22:07                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-12 22:43                   ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-07-12 23:01                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-12 23:00                   ` Vegard Nossum
2008-07-12 23:04                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-12 23:19                       ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-12 23:25                         ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-12 23:05                     ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-12 23:17                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-13  9:53                         ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-13 17:10                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-13 17:42                             ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2008-07-13 17:46                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-13 18:13                               ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-13 18:19                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-13 18:38                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-13 18:20                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-12 23:25                       ` Vegard Nossum
2008-07-13 15:29                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-14 15:49                   ` Mike Travis
2008-07-14 22:38                 ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-14 23:05                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15  0:00                     ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-15  0:23                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15  2:21                         ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-15  3:03                           ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-07-15  4:12                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15  8:32                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-15  8:42                                 ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-07-15  8:57                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-15  9:12                                     ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-07-16  6:35                                     ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-07-16  7:10                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-16 17:01                                         ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-07-15  3:23                     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-07-15  3:36                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15  3:47                         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-07-15  4:04                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15  4:16                             ` Steven Rostedt
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-07-12 10:45 Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-12 11:14 ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-13  0:10   ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-07-13  8:50     ` Vegard Nossum
2008-07-13  9:41       ` Ingo Molnar

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