From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: OGAWA Hirofumi <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>,
Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Ric Wheeler <ricwheeler@gmail.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, gilad@codefidence.com,
matthew@wil.cx
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] Discard requests, v2
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:37:18 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080810163718.GA528@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1218363946.5063.25.camel@pmac.infradead.org>
David Woodhouse wrote:
> > Currently it seems we schedule data direction as READ (no flags).
> > Although I'm not sure, we might want to schedule it as WRITE? (I guess
> > WRITE can be allowed delay more than READ...)
>
> I'm not sure it matters much -- this is mostly going to be used on
> devices which aren't affected by I/O scheduling at all and should
> probably be using the no-op scheduler.
One case where it might need I/O scheduling is an
non-volatile-memory-backed ATA/SCSI controller. (E.g. typical RAID
card with battery, or the newer disks with flash).
You want the schedule, because there are disks behind the controller.
But you want discard requests too, so they can discard from the
non-volatile memory before it hits the disk.
Also, on flash devices there are no seek delays, but even small writes
can take a while, when their internal queues reach a synchronous block
erase state. If there's lots of WRITES or DISCARDS queued, you
wouldn't want them to affect latency-sensitive READ.
For barriers they're asymmetric. DISCARD must come after barriers,
but keeping DISCARD before barriers doesn't seem to matter. Treating
them like WRITE is stronger than necessary but fine.
-- Jamie
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-08-10 16:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-08-09 16:26 [PATCH 0/7] Discard requests, v2 David Woodhouse
2008-08-09 16:29 ` [PATCH 1/7] [BLOCK] Fix typo causing compile error in blk_queue_bounce() David Woodhouse
2008-08-09 16:30 ` [PATCH 2/7] [BLOCK] Fix up comments about matching flags between bio and rq David Woodhouse
2008-08-09 16:30 ` [PATCH 3/7] [BLOCK] Add 'discard' request handling David Woodhouse
2008-08-09 20:39 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2008-08-09 21:37 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-10 6:32 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-09 16:31 ` [PATCH 4/7] [FAT] Let the block device know when sectors can be discarded David Woodhouse
2008-08-09 16:32 ` [PATCH 5/7] [MTD] Support 'discard sectors' operation in translation layer support core David Woodhouse
2008-08-09 16:33 ` [PATCH 6/7] [MTD] [FTL] Support 'discard sectors' operation David Woodhouse
2008-08-09 16:33 ` [PATCH 7/7] [BLOCK] Allow elevators to sort/merge discard requests David Woodhouse
2008-10-03 20:29 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-07 12:07 ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-09 22:48 ` [PATCH 0/7] Discard requests, v2 OGAWA Hirofumi
2008-08-10 10:25 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-10 16:37 ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2008-08-10 17:55 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2008-08-10 20:07 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-10 21:40 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2008-08-11 9:40 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-11 10:25 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2008-08-11 13:17 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-11 14:21 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2008-08-10 10:29 ` [PATCH 8/7] blktrace: support discard requests David Woodhouse
2008-08-10 10:35 ` [USERSPACE PATCH] " David Woodhouse
2008-08-15 8:43 ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-15 9:01 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-15 9:08 ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-10 10:41 ` [PATCH 8/7] " David Woodhouse
2008-08-13 11:17 ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-10 11:48 ` [PATCH 9/7] blktrace: simplify flags handling in __blk_add_trace David Woodhouse
2008-08-10 11:50 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-11 15:11 ` [PATCH 10/7] [BLOCK] Add BLKDISCARD ioctl to allow userspace to discard sectors David Woodhouse
2008-08-11 18:27 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-11 20:52 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-12 9:14 ` [PATCH 0/7] Discard requests, v2 Jens Axboe
2008-08-12 10:00 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-12 10:54 ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-12 11:16 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-12 12:19 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-12 12:53 ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-12 13:04 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-12 15:47 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-12 18:04 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-13 10:22 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-13 12:19 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-13 12:26 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-13 11:15 ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-13 11:23 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-13 11:32 ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-13 11:34 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-13 12:07 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-14 7:49 ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-14 7:52 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-14 7:25 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-14 7:33 ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-08-14 7:37 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-14 7:42 ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-14 7:46 ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-08-12 18:10 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-13 10:20 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-12 11:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-12 11:46 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-12 19:53 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2008-08-12 20:11 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2008-08-13 11:39 ` [PATCH 11/7] Kill REQ_TYPE_FLUSH David Woodhouse
2008-08-13 11:58 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-08-13 12:43 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-13 15:40 ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-13 15:46 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-16 17:08 ` [PATCH 0/2] MMC discard support (was [PATCH 0/7] Discard requests, v2) Pierre Ossman
2008-08-16 17:11 ` [PATCH 1/2] mmc_block: factor out the mmc request handling Pierre Ossman
2008-08-16 17:12 ` [PATCH 2/2] mmc_block: erase discarded blocks Pierre Ossman
2008-08-16 17:38 ` [PATCH 0/2] MMC discard support (was [PATCH 0/7] Discard requests, v2) David Woodhouse
2008-08-16 17:51 ` Pierre Ossman
2008-08-22 9:24 ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-22 9:45 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-22 10:50 ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-22 10:58 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-22 11:11 ` Pierre Ossman
2008-08-22 11:19 ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-22 11:13 ` Pierre Ossman
2008-08-22 11:20 ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-22 14:49 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2008-08-22 23:02 ` Pierre Ossman
2008-08-22 23:59 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2008-08-24 11:23 ` Pierre Ossman
2008-08-24 13:39 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
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