From: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>,
"Press, Jonathan" <Jonathan.Press@ca.com>,
davecb@sun.com, Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>,
Mihai Don??u <mdontu@bitdefender.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, malware-list@lists.printk.net,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforon access scanning
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:35:29 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080815113528.GI13048@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080815093513.5ca24c26@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 09:35:13AM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> We shouldn't need to care what people do with good interface. What
> matters is in your airport example is that at the infrastructure level
> there is a point you can choose to do scanning and we agree where.
> Whether people use this to provide a Starbucks or goons with rubber
> gloves who take away babies milk is an application layer problem.
If it's a good interface that also happens to address HSM/DMAPI
functionality, as well as a more efficient way for trackerd to work, I
agree completely. I think you will agree the proposed TALPA interface
is a bit too virus-scanner specific, though? Especially with explicit
talk of specialized (persistent or not) "clean/dirty/infected" bits
that the kernel would store in the inode for the benefit of the AV
scanner? That's rather optimized for the goons-with-rubber-gloves
that-make-mothers-drink-their-own-breast-to-prove-it's-not-explosives
crowd, I think...
- Ted
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2008-08-04 21:00 [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interface for on access scanning Eric Paris
2008-08-04 22:32 ` [malware-list] " Greg KH
2008-08-05 0:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-05 0:47 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 0:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-05 5:49 ` Kyle Moffett
2008-08-05 12:32 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 11:31 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 14:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-05 14:09 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 17:58 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-06 2:41 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-06 18:04 ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-05 0:32 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 0:35 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 0:51 ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 11:23 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 17:03 ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 18:56 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 20:30 ` Greg KH
2008-08-06 18:49 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06 21:02 ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-06 21:28 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06 21:52 ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-07 14:16 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-07 21:55 ` David Wagner
2008-08-08 2:06 ` Rene Herman
2008-08-08 2:15 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-08 2:55 ` Rene Herman
2008-08-08 11:58 ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-08 12:34 ` Rene Herman
2008-08-08 13:11 ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-08 13:43 ` Rene Herman
2008-08-05 11:25 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 17:01 ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 20:36 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 19:46 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 20:15 ` Greg KH
2008-08-06 9:37 ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 15:25 ` Greg KH
2008-08-06 15:41 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06 16:03 ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 9:28 ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-05 14:41 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interface foron " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 14:56 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 16:37 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interfaceforon " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 17:19 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 17:38 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 17:29 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 18:02 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 20:12 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 20:41 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 18:04 ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 18:11 ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 18:38 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 18:54 ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-05 20:37 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforon " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 21:14 ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 21:23 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforonaccess scanning Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 21:42 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 21:44 ` Greg KH
[not found] ` <2629CC4E1D22A64593B02C43E855530303E21D47@USILMS12.ca.com>
2008-08-05 22:26 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro toalinuxinterfaceforonaccess scanning Greg KH
2008-08-05 23:37 ` Al Viro
2008-08-05 23:48 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 23:57 ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-06 0:11 ` Greg KH
2008-08-06 0:25 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06 0:46 ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-06 1:44 ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-08 10:48 ` [malware-list] Threat model for Unix Computers Jörg Ostertag
2008-08-08 22:26 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-09 1:21 ` david
2008-08-09 1:44 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-08-05 23:55 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro toalinuxinterfaceforonaccess scanning Theodore Tso
2008-08-06 10:25 ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-05 21:45 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforonaccess scanning Al Viro
2008-08-05 20:18 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon access scanning Greg KH
2008-08-05 20:28 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforon " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 20:51 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 21:08 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-06 0:51 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon " Rik van Riel
2008-08-06 12:10 ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-06 12:38 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-06 13:11 ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-06 13:49 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-06 13:55 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06 14:11 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-06 14:20 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-08-06 13:57 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-06 11:31 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interfaceforon " David Collier-Brown
2008-08-06 23:20 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-06 13:44 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon " Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-06 14:16 ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 14:23 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-06 15:22 ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-06 15:54 ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-07 9:28 ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-07 14:21 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-07 14:31 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-08 0:05 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-08 5:17 ` James Morris
2008-08-06 15:08 ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-06 15:33 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforon " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-06 15:46 ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-06 16:12 ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 16:25 ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-06 18:06 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 20:17 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interfaceforon " Alan Cox
2008-08-06 9:24 ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 15:24 ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 18:27 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 18:34 ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 18:38 ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 20:15 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 20:26 ` Greg KH
2008-08-06 10:05 ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 10:50 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-08-06 11:07 ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 11:26 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-08-07 0:49 ` Mihai Donțu
2008-08-07 4:39 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-11 13:45 ` Mihai Donțu
2008-08-11 13:56 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-11 16:11 ` David Collier-Brown
2008-08-11 21:18 ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-11 22:09 ` David Wagner
2008-08-12 7:32 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-13 10:28 ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-13 10:46 ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-13 11:08 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-13 12:56 ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-13 13:52 ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-14 12:54 ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-14 18:37 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforon " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-14 22:39 ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-15 0:00 ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-15 0:43 ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-15 1:02 ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-15 3:00 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-15 5:22 ` david
2008-08-15 5:33 ` david
2008-08-15 5:38 ` david
2008-08-17 22:14 ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-17 22:12 ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-17 22:47 ` david
2008-08-17 22:58 ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-17 23:24 ` david
2008-08-18 0:00 ` Casey Schaufler
2008-08-18 0:17 ` david
2008-08-18 0:31 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-18 0:39 ` david
2008-08-18 0:42 ` Casey Schaufler
2008-08-18 0:07 ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-19 10:41 ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-15 8:35 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-15 11:35 ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2008-08-15 12:57 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforonaccess scanning Press, Jonathan
2008-08-15 13:16 ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-15 13:22 ` douglas.leeder
2008-08-15 13:28 ` douglas.leeder
2008-08-15 13:55 ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-15 14:19 ` douglas.leeder
2008-08-15 15:42 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-08-17 22:10 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforon access scanning Pavel Machek
2008-08-13 13:58 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon " Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-13 13:54 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-13 14:16 ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-13 14:28 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-13 15:19 ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-14 12:56 ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-14 20:06 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-14 22:35 ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-11 21:53 ` David Wagner
2008-08-11 21:45 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-14 10:48 ` David Collier-Brown
2008-08-06 15:00 ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-06 15:17 ` Greg KH
2008-08-06 15:22 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 20:38 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 20:54 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 21:05 ` Al Viro
2008-08-05 18:38 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interfaceforon " Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 18:39 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06 0:30 ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-06 1:55 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06 11:40 ` Sidebar to [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interface for on " David Collier-Brown
2008-08-06 0:22 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interfaceforon " Rik van Riel
2008-08-06 0:53 ` jmorris
2008-08-06 2:46 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interface foron " Andi Kleen
2008-08-06 8:39 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interface for on " tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-05 11:21 ` Helge Hafting
2008-08-05 17:04 ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 2:49 ` Casey Schaufler
2008-08-05 3:01 ` Cliffe
2008-08-05 3:44 ` Casey Schaufler
2008-08-05 3:45 ` Cliffe
2008-08-05 20:56 ` Paul Moore
2008-08-06 3:00 ` Casey Schaufler
2008-08-06 14:18 ` Paul Moore
2008-08-07 0:49 ` Casey Schaufler
2008-08-05 3:46 ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 3:58 ` Cliffe
2008-08-05 12:05 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-05 12:22 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 18:08 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-06 9:44 ` [malware-list] " tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 11:10 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-06 11:29 ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 16:57 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-05 22:55 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-08-06 10:09 ` [malware-list] " tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 22:24 ` David Wagner
2008-08-07 0:04 ` James Morris
2008-08-07 10:30 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-07 11:19 ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 2:35 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-06 3:43 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06 3:52 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-06 22:04 ` David Wagner
2008-08-18 14:06 ` John Moser
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-08-15 10:10 [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforon " Rob Meijer
2008-08-15 11:02 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-15 12:22 Rob Meijer
2008-08-15 13:27 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-15 17:31 ` david
2008-08-16 3:57 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-16 4:09 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-16 5:19 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-16 9:39 ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-16 11:38 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-16 15:17 ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-17 7:49 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-17 8:58 ` david
2008-08-18 0:11 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-18 0:32 ` david
2008-08-18 1:20 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-18 10:54 ` douglas.leeder
2008-08-18 13:40 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-16 5:35 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-08-16 7:27 ` david
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.1.10.0808152115210.12859@asgard.lang.hm>
2008-08-16 9:28 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-16 10:14 ` david
2008-08-17 21:17 ` David Collier-Brown
2008-08-18 1:33 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-18 1:44 ` david
2008-08-18 2:33 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-15 14:18 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-17 10:33 Rob Meijer
2008-08-17 10:46 ` david
2008-08-17 21:58 ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-17 22:30 ` david
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