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From: Jakub Narebski <jnareb@gmail.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Stephen R. van den Berg" <srb@cuci.nl>, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:53:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200809111853.53065.jnareb@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0809110835070.3384@nehalem.linux-foundation.org>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008, Stephen R. van den Berg wrote:
> 
>> If you fetch just branches A, B and C, but not D, the origin link from A
>> to D is dangling.  Once you have fetched D as well [..]
> 
> So I just said we deleted beanch 'D', so there's no way to ever fetch it 
> again.
> 
> Get it?
> 
> The fact is, a big part of git is temporary branches. It's one of the 
> *best* features of git. Throw-away stuff. Those throw-away branches are 
> often done for initial development, and then the final result is often a 
> cleaned-up version. Often using rebase or cherry-picking or any number of 
> things.
> 
> And this is why "git cherry-pick" DOES NOT PUT THE ORIGINAL SHA1 IN THE 
> COMMENT FIELD BY DEFAULT.
> 
> (Although you can use "-x" to make it do so for when you actually _want_ 
> to say "cherry-picked from xyzzy")

And that is why the proposal was to use "-o" option to git-cherry-pick
to add 'origin'/'changeset' header, exactly because git-cherry-pick is
_abused_ to clean up branches and reorder commits; although I think that
"git rebase --interactive" (and patch management interfaces) do replace
using git-cherry-pick for that purpose.

git-revert would add 'origin'/'changeset' header unconditionally,
just like by default it seeds commit message with SHA-1 id of reverted
commit.

> Can you not understand that? The "origin" field is _garbage_. It's garbage 
> for all normal cases. The original commit will not ever even EXIST in the 
> result, because it has long since been thrown away and will never exist 
> anywhere else.
> 
> Garbage should be _avoided_, not added.

Hmmm... the difference between having 'origin' in a commit object header,
and having it in commit mesage is like difference between 'Signed-off-by:'
convention and 'author' header.  First is the matter of workflow, second
is inherent, required and non-avoidable part of revision information.

On the other hand git-cherry and git-blame would then have rely on
parsing correctly free-form part of a commit object, to take advantage
of 'origin' information: something what 'origin' info is for.


P.S. 'generation' header was not added... just saying... :-)

-- 
Jakub Narebski
Poland

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-09-11 16:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 137+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-09 13:22 [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-09 13:38 ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-09 14:04   ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-09 13:48 ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-09 15:44 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-09 16:38   ` Steven Grimm
2008-09-09 19:43   ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-09 19:59     ` Jeff King
2008-09-09 20:25       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-09 20:42       ` Junio C Hamano
2008-09-09 20:47         ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-09-09 20:50         ` Jeff King
2008-09-09 22:35           ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-09 23:07             ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-10  8:10               ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-10  0:13         ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10  1:59           ` Junio C Hamano
2008-09-10  5:38             ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-09 21:05       ` Junio C Hamano
2008-09-09 21:09         ` Jeff King
2008-09-09 23:36           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-09 20:54     ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-09 23:08       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-09 23:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-09 23:58       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10  0:23         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-10  5:42           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10 15:30             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-10 23:09               ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11  0:39                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-11  6:22                   ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11  8:20                     ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-11 12:31                       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 13:51                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-11 15:32                           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 18:00                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-11 19:03                               ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 19:33                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-09-11 19:44                                   ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 20:03                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-09-11 20:24                                       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 20:05                                     ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-11 20:22                                       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-12  0:30                                         ` A Large Angry SCM
2008-09-12  5:39                                           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 20:04                                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-11 21:46                                   ` Jeff King
2008-09-11 22:56                                     ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 23:01                                       ` Jeff King
2008-09-11 23:17                                         ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 23:10                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-11 23:26                                       ` Jeff King
2008-09-11 23:36                                       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 15:02                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-09-11 16:00                           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 17:02                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-09-11 18:44                               ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 20:00                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-09-11 21:05                               ` Junio C Hamano
2008-09-11 22:32                                 ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 22:40                                   ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 12:28                     ` A Large Angry SCM
2008-09-11 12:39                       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-12  0:03                         ` A Large Angry SCM
2008-09-12  0:13                           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 15:39                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-11 16:01                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-11 16:23                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-11 20:16                           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 16:53                       ` Jakub Narebski [this message]
2008-09-11 19:23                       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 19:45                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-09-11 19:55                           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 20:27                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-09-12  8:50                               ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 21:01                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-12  8:40                               ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10  8:30           ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-10 15:32             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-10 15:37               ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-10 15:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-10 15:46                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-10 15:57                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-10 23:15                       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10 16:23                     ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-11 23:28                       ` Sam Vilain
2008-09-11 23:44                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-12  2:24                           ` Sam Vilain
2008-09-12  5:47                           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-12  6:19                             ` Rogan Dawes
2008-09-12  6:56                               ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-12 14:58                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-12 15:05                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-12 15:11                               ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-12 15:40                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-12 16:00                                   ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-12 15:54                               ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-12 16:19                                 ` Jeff King
2008-09-12 16:43                                   ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-12 18:44                                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-12 20:56                                       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-15 12:21                                 ` Sam Vilain
2008-09-09 23:59       ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-09 21:13 ` Petr Baudis
2008-09-09 22:56   ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-09 23:05     ` Petr Baudis
2008-09-09 23:32       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10  9:35       ` [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, and more about porcelain-level metadata Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-10 10:44         ` Petr Baudis
2008-09-10 11:49           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10 12:30             ` Petr Baudis
2008-09-10 13:14               ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10 14:33         ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-09-10 15:15           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10 15:24             ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-10 12:21     ` [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert Theodore Tso
2008-09-10 14:16       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10 15:10         ` Jeff King
2008-09-10 21:50           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10 21:54             ` Jeff King
2008-09-10 22:34               ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10 22:55                 ` Jeff King
2008-09-10 23:19                   ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11  5:16                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-11  7:55                       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11  8:45                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-11 12:33                         ` A Large Angry SCM
2008-09-11  2:46                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-09-10 16:18         ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-10 16:40         ` Petr Baudis
2008-09-10 17:58           ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-10 22:44             ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10  8:45   ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-23 13:51   ` Recording "partial merges" (was: Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert) Peter Krefting
2008-09-10 20:32 ` [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert Miklos Vajna
2008-09-10 20:55   ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-09-10 21:06     ` Miklos Vajna

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