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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <compudj@krystal.dyndns.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] ring-buffer: less locking and only disable preemption
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:41:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081004174121.GA1337@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081004144423.GA14918@elte.hu>


* Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:

> * Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
> 
> > The dynamic function tracer is another issue. The problem with NMIs 
> > has nothing to do with locking, or corrupting the buffers. It has to 
> > do with the dynamic code modification.  Whenever we modify code, we 
> > must guarantee that it will not be executed on another CPU.
> > 
> > Kstop_machine serves this purpose rather well. We can modify code 
> > without worrying it will be executed on another CPU, except for NMIs. 
> > The problem now comes where an NMI can come in and execute the code 
> > being modified. That's why I put in all the notrace, lines. But it 
> > gets difficult because of nmi_notifier can call all over the kernel.  
> > Perhaps, we can simply disable the nmi-notifier when we are doing the 
> > kstop_machine call?
> 
> that would definitely be one way to reduce the cross section, but not 
> enough i'm afraid. For example in the nmi_watchdog=2 case we call into 
> various lapic functions and paravirt lapic handlers which makes it all 
> spread to 3-4 paravirtualization flavors ...
> 
> sched_clock()'s notrace aspects were pretty manageable, but this in 
> its current form is not.

there's a relatively simple method that would solve all these 
impact-size problems.

We cannot stop NMIs (and MCEs, etc.), but we can make kernel code 
modifications atomic, by adding the following thin layer ontop of it:

   #define MAX_CODE_SIZE 10

   int redo_len;
   u8 *redo_vaddr;

   u8 redo_buffer[MAX_CODE_SIZE];

   atomic_t __read_mostly redo_pending;

and use it in do_nmi():

   if (unlikely(atomic_read(&redo_pending)))
	modify_code_redo();

i.e. when we modify code, we first fill in the redo_buffer[], redo_vaddr 
and redo_len[], then we set redo_pending flag. Then we modify the kernel 
code, and clear the redo_pending flag.

If an NMI (or MCE) handler intervenes, it will notice the pending 
'transaction' and will copy redo_buffer[] to the (redo_vaddr,len) 
location and will continue.

So as far as non-maskable contexts are concerned, kernel code patching 
becomes an atomic operation. do_nmi() has to be marked notrace but 
that's all and easy to maintain.

Hm?

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-04 17:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-04  6:00 [PATCH 0/3] ring-buffer: less locking and only disable preemption Steven Rostedt
2008-10-04  6:00 ` [PATCH 1/3] ring-buffer: move page indexes into page headers Steven Rostedt
2008-10-04  6:00 ` [PATCH 2/3] ring-buffer: make reentrant Steven Rostedt
2008-10-04  6:01 ` [PATCH 3/3] ftrace: make some tracers reentrant Steven Rostedt
2008-10-04  8:40 ` [PATCH 0/3] ring-buffer: less locking and only disable preemption Ingo Molnar
2008-10-04 14:34   ` Steven Rostedt
2008-10-04 14:44     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-04 17:41       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2008-10-04 22:27         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-10-04 23:21           ` Steven Rostedt
2008-10-06 17:10             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-10-05 10:13           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-06 13:53             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-10-04 16:33     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-10-04 17:18       ` Steven Rostedt
2008-10-06 17:13         ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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