From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1KxO8c-00070I-Kn for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:48:14 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KxO8a-0006zt-QL for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:48:12 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KxO8Z-0006zT-0c for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:48:12 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41239 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KxO8Y-0006zQ-SD for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:48:10 -0500 Received: from ns39764.ovh.net ([91.121.25.85]:38631 helo=nexedi.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KxO8Y-0003Bb-MT for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:48:10 -0500 Received: from [10.8.0.46] (unknown [10.8.0.46]) by nexedi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 670A43E0F7; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:48:07 +0100 (CET) From: "Yoshinori K. Okuji" Organization: enbug.org To: grub-devel@gnu.org Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:47:32 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <87y711o7z5.fsf@jidanni.org> <20081102170730.GA20848@nubol.oskuro.net> <20081102184142.GA25637@thorin> In-Reply-To: <20081102184142.GA25637@thorin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811041647.33464.okuji@enbug.org> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Cc: Robert Millan Subject: Re: pager=1 as default? (Re: too many commands, "help" output rolls of screen) X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:48:13 -0000 On Sunday 02 November 2008 19:41:42 Robert Millan wrote: > On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 06:07:30PM +0100, Jordi Mallach wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 01:46:10PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > > > > output will roll off the standard sized console. Please remove some > > > > commands so there aren't so many that they roll off the screen. > > > > > > 'set pager=1' solves this. Btw, should we make it the default? > > > > totally, this is very annoying by default. :) > > Since this was intentional, I'd like to know what others (specially the > maintainers) think about this before proposing that it is changed... The pager must not be enabled by default. This was decided in GRUB Legacy (by me), and I believe that this decision is still right. The reason is that GRUB must not require any human intervention by default. Otherwise, if a command emits a lot of text for some reason, you have no control with a remote system. In reality, interactive usages of a boot loader are quite rare. So the default should be optimized for batch operations. If you don't like this default, you only have to write "set pager=1" in grub.cfg. Regards, Okuji