From: Folkert van Heusden <folkert@vanheusden.com>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>,
mikulas@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz, clock@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz,
kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
aviro@redhat.com
Subject: Re: writing file to disk: not as easy as it looks
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:10:42 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081202191038.GE29091@vanheusden.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081202163720.GB18162@mit.edu>
> > If disk looses data after acknowledging the write, all hope is lost.
> > Else I expect filesystem to preserve data I successfully synced.
> > (In the b-tree split failed case I'd expect transaction commit to
> > fail because new data could not be weitten; at that point
> > disk+journal should still contain all the data needed for
> > recovery of synced/old files, right?)
>
> Not necessarily. For filesystems that do logical journalling (i.e.,
> xfs, jfs, et. al), the only thing written in the journal is the
> logical change (i.e., "new dir entry 'file_that_causes_the_node_split'").
> The transaction commits *first*, and then the filesystem tries to
> write update the filesystem with the change, and it's only then that
> the write fails. Data can very easily get lost.
> Even for ext3/ext4 which is doing physical journalling, it's still the
So do I understand this right that ext3/4 are more robust?
Folkert van Heusden
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-12-02 19:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-12-02 9:40 writing file to disk: not as easy as it looks Pavel Machek
2008-12-02 14:04 ` Theodore Tso
2008-12-02 15:26 ` Pavel Machek
2008-12-02 16:37 ` Theodore Tso
2008-12-02 17:22 ` Chris Friesen
2008-12-02 20:55 ` Theodore Tso
2008-12-02 22:44 ` Pavel Machek
2008-12-02 22:50 ` Pavel Machek
2008-12-03 5:07 ` Theodore Tso
2008-12-03 8:46 ` Pavel Machek
2008-12-03 15:50 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-12-03 15:54 ` Alan Cox
2008-12-03 17:37 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-12-03 17:52 ` Alan Cox
2008-12-03 18:16 ` Pavel Machek
2008-12-03 18:33 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-12-03 16:42 ` Theodore Tso
2008-12-03 17:43 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-12-03 18:26 ` Pavel Machek
2008-12-03 15:34 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-12-15 10:24 ` [patch] " Pavel Machek
2008-12-15 11:03 ` Pavel Machek
2008-12-15 20:08 ` Folkert van Heusden
2008-12-02 19:10 ` Folkert van Heusden [this message]
2008-12-02 23:01 ` Mikulas Patocka
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