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From: Thiemo Seufer <ths@networkno.de>
To: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Vmchannel PCI device.
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:18:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081215011819.GB12052@networkno.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081214233305.GA22151@redhat.com>

Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
[snip]
> > If you don't have QEMU as a broker, it makes it very hard for QEMU to 
> > virtualization all of the resources exposed to the guest.  This 
> > complicates things like save/restore and complicates security policies 
> > since you now have things being done on behalf of a guest originating 
> > from another process.  It generally breaks the model of guest-as-a-process.
> 
> This really depends on what you define the semantics of the vmchannel
> protocol to be - specifically whether you want save/restore/migrate to
> be totally opaque to the guest or not. I could imagine one option is to
> have the guest end of the device be given -EPIPE when the backend is
> restarted for restore/migrate, and choose to re-establish its connection
> if so desired. This would not require QEMU to maintain any backend state.
> For stateless datagram (UDP-like) application protocols there's nothing 
> that there's no special support required for save/restore.
> 
> > What's the argument to do these things external to QEMU?
> 
> There are many potential uses cases for VMchannel,

Could you describe a practical use case of VMchannel in Qemu? I think I
missed what this feature is good for. :-)

> not all are going to be general purpose things that everyone wants to
> use.

If it is only good for specialized esoteric stuff, why should it be in
Qemu?


Thiemo

  reply	other threads:[~2008-12-15  1:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-14 11:50 [PATCH] Vmchannel PCI device Gleb Natapov
2008-12-14 12:28 ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl
2008-12-14 13:12   ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-14 19:15     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-14 19:37       ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-14 22:52         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15  9:20           ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-15  9:25           ` Dan Kenigsberg
2008-12-15 15:43           ` Dan Kenigsberg
2008-12-14 22:13       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-12-14 22:56         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-14 23:33           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-12-15  1:18             ` Thiemo Seufer [this message]
2008-12-15  2:03             ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15  9:47               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-12-14 19:24 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-14 19:44   ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-15  0:41 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paul Brook
2008-12-15  1:50   ` Anthony Liguori

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