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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: FUJITA Tomonori <fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, xen-devel@lists.xensource.com,
	x86@kernel.org, ian.campbell@citrix.com, jbeulich@novell.com,
	joerg.roedel@amd.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00 of 14] swiotlb/x86: lay groundwork for xen dom0 use of swiotlb
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:23:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081218132313.GE32135@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49494BE4.1070408@goop.org>


* Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org> wrote:

> FUJITA Tomonori wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:31:43 -0800
>> Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org> wrote:
>>
>>   
>>>> I think that the whole patchset is against the swiotlb design. swiotlb
>>>> is designed to be used as a library. Each architecture implements the
>>>> own swiotlb by using swiotlb library
>>>> (e.g. arch/x86/kernel/pci-swiotlb_64.c).
>>>>         
>>> The whole patchset?  The bulk of the changes to lib/swiotlb.c are  
>>> relatively minor to remove the unwarranted assumptions it is making 
>>> in the face of a new user.  They will have no effect on other 
>>> existing users, including non-Xen x86 builds.
>>>
>>> If you have specific objections we can discuss those, but I don't 
>>> think there's anything fundamentally wrong with making lib/swiotlb.c 
>>> a bit more generically useful.
>>>     
>>
>> Sorry, but the highmem support is not generically useful.
>>   
>
> That's a circular argument.  lib/swiotlb currently used by 1 1/2 of the 
> 23 architectures, neither of which happens to use highmem.  If you 
> consider swiotlb to be a general purpose mechanism, then presumably the 
> other 21 1/2 architectures are at least potential users (and 6 1/2 of 
> those have highmem configurations).  If you base your judgement of 
> what's a "generically useful" change based on what the current users 
> need, then you'll naturally exclude the requirements of all the other 
> (potential) users.
>
> And the matter arises now because we're trying to unify the use of 
> swiotlb in x86, bringing the number of users up to 2.
>
>> I'm especially against the highmem support. As you said, the rest looks 
>> fine but if you go with pci-swiotlb_32.c, I think that you don't need 
>> the most of them.
>>   
>
> I really don't want to have to duplicate a lot of code just to 
> incorporate a few small changes.  In fact the original Xen patch set 
> included its own swiotlb implementation, and that was rejected on the 
> grounds that we should use the common swiotlb.c.

duplicating that would not be a very good design - and 32-bit highmem is a 
reality we have to live with for some time to come. The impact:

   10 files changed, 251 insertions(+), 81 deletions(-)

looks rather to the point and seems relatively compressed. In fact 32-bit 
Xen could end up being the largest user (and tester) of swiotlb facilities 
in general, as modern 64-bit platforms tend to have hw IOMMUs. Having more 
code sharing and more testers is a plus.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2008-12-18 13:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-16 20:17 [PATCH 00 of 14] swiotlb/x86: lay groundwork for xen dom0 use of swiotlb Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-16 20:17 ` [PATCH 01 of 14] x86: remove unused iommu_nr_pages Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-16 20:17 ` [PATCH 02 of 14] swiotlb: allow architectures to override swiotlb pool allocation Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-16 20:17 ` [PATCH 03 of 14] swiotlb: move some definitions to header Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-16 20:17 ` [PATCH 04 of 14] swiotlb: consistently use address_needs_mapping everywhere Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-17  2:48   ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-12-17  2:51     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-12-17 16:43       ` Ian Campbell
2008-12-17 16:40     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-16 20:17 ` [PATCH 05 of 14] swiotlb: add comment where we handle the overflow of a dma mask on 32 bit Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-16 20:17 ` [PATCH 06 of 14] swiotlb: allow architectures to override phys<->bus<->phys conversions Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-16 20:17 ` [PATCH 07 of 14] swiotlb: add arch hook to force mapping Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-22  5:34   ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-12-16 20:17 ` [PATCH 08 of 14] swiotlb: factor out copy to/from device Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-16 20:17 ` [PATCH 09 of 14] swiotlb: support bouncing of HighMem pages Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-17  2:48   ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-12-16 20:17 ` [PATCH 10 of 14] swiotlb: consolidate swiotlb info message printing Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-16 20:17 ` [PATCH 11 of 14] x86: add swiotlb allocation functions Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-16 20:17 ` [PATCH 12 of 14] x86: unify pci iommu setup and allow swiotlb to compile for 32 bit Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-16 20:17 ` [PATCH 13 of 14] x86/swiotlb: add default phys<->bus conversion Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-16 20:17 ` [PATCH 14 of 14] x86/swiotlb: add default swiotlb_arch_range_needs_mapping Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-16 20:35 ` [PATCH 00 of 14] swiotlb/x86: lay groundwork for xen dom0 use of swiotlb Ingo Molnar
2008-12-17  5:25   ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-12-17  8:47     ` [PATCH 00 of 14] swiotlb/x86: lay groundwork for xen dom0 useof swiotlb Jan Beulich
2008-12-17 16:51       ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-12-17 16:31     ` [PATCH 00 of 14] swiotlb/x86: lay groundwork for xen dom0 use of swiotlb Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-17 16:56       ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-12-17 18:58         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-18 13:23           ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2008-12-18 15:45             ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-12-18 18:17         ` Becky Bruce
2008-12-18 20:09           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-18 21:02           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-19  5:03             ` Becky Bruce
2008-12-19  7:02               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-19 14:25                 ` Becky Bruce
2008-12-19 17:48                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-19  5:11             ` swiotlb highmem for ppc series Becky Bruce
2008-12-19  5:16               ` Becky Bruce
2008-12-19  5:11             ` [PATCH 01/11] swiotlb: Drop SG_ENT_VIRT_ADDRESS macro Becky Bruce
2008-12-19  5:11             ` [PATCH 02/11] swiotlb: Allow arch to provide address_needs_mapping Becky Bruce
2008-12-19  5:11             ` [PATCH 03/11] swiotlb: Rename SG_ENT_PHYS_ADDRESS to SG_ENT_BUS_ADDRESS Becky Bruce
2008-12-19  5:11             ` [PATCH 04/11] swiotlb: Print physical addr instead of bus addr in info printks Becky Bruce
2008-12-19  5:11             ` [PATCH 05/11] swiotlb: Create virt to/from dma_addr and phys_to_dma_addr funcs Becky Bruce
2008-12-19  5:11             ` [PATCH 06/11] swiotlb: Store phys address in io_tlb_orig_addr array Becky Bruce
2008-12-19 17:39               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-22  5:34                 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2008-12-19  5:11             ` [PATCH 07/11] swiotlb: Add support for systems with highmem Becky Bruce
2008-12-19 17:46               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-19 18:12                 ` Becky Bruce
2008-12-19  5:11             ` [PATCH 08/11] ia64/x86/swiotlb: use enum dma_data_direciton in dma_ops Becky Bruce
2008-12-19  5:11             ` [PATCH 09/11] swiotlb: add swiotlb_map/unmap_page Becky Bruce
2008-12-19  2:47           ` [PATCH 00 of 14] swiotlb/x86: lay groundwork for xen dom0 use of swiotlb FUJITA Tomonori
2008-12-19  8:18             ` Ingo Molnar

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