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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	jack@suse.cz
Subject: Re: 2.6.29 -mm merge plans
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:22:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090108132248.GD2247@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090106232418.GB25103@infradead.org>

Hi!

> > > I'm not sure this is a good idea.  Concurrent syncs are a bad idea
> > > to start with and we should just synchronyze do_sync completely.
> > > sync_filesystems as one of the main components of do_sync already
> > > is synchronized in that way, and taking that to a higher level would
> > > get rid of all the worries about concurrent syncs.
> > 
> > Yes, single-threading sys_sync() would fix the problem which that patch
> > addresses.
> > 
> > However there are a lot of performance and correctness issues around
> > sys_sync()-versus-fsync(), etc for which such a simple fix won't be
> > acceptable.
> 
> fsync should really not much interac with sync at that level.  While
> they both end up at same primitives at the lowest level those aren't
> the ones we're trying to protect against.  I'm currently in the process
> of a major rework of sys_sync/do_sync to make it work properly for
> modern filesystems and the global synchronization was one of the first
> things I did..
> 
> So if you have any workloads where that causes a problem please send
> them my way.  Not that I can really thing of them, given the global
> nature of sys_sync I can't see any benefit of doing multiple of these
> in parallel.

I did play with fsync() a bit, and realized it mostly does not
work. (Yes, I did physically unplug the media). I have some scripts,
and am currently converting them to nbd so that I will not have to
physically pull anything.

Jack has some ext2 fix provoked by those tests...
								Pavel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-01-10 10:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-05  8:43 2.6.29 -mm merge plans Andrew Morton
2009-01-05  9:00 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-01-05  9:07   ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-05 22:31     ` Ying Han
2009-01-05 22:34     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-08  4:18       ` Ying Han
2009-01-08  4:41         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-01-08  7:57           ` Ying Han
2009-01-08  8:31             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-01-11  4:18         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-12  4:18           ` Ying Han
2009-01-06  5:27   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-06  5:41     ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-05  9:02 ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-05  9:12   ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-05  9:17     ` David Miller
2009-01-05  9:21       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-05  9:39         ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-05 10:10           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-05 10:36             ` David Miller
2009-01-05 12:32               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-05 10:11     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-05 10:37       ` David Miller
2009-01-05  9:40 ` Ryusuke Konishi
2009-01-06 13:30   ` Pekka Enberg
2009-01-07  3:26     ` Ryusuke Konishi
2009-01-07  7:58       ` Pekka Enberg
2009-01-07 14:17       ` Chris Mason
2009-01-05 11:34 ` Al Viro
2009-01-05 11:40 ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-10-06  6:14   ` Greg Ungerer
2009-01-05 12:17   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-05 17:38   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-01-05 12:28 ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-12 22:06   ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-15  6:37     ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-06  9:46 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-06 22:33 ` Folkert van Heusden
2009-01-06 22:38   ` Alan Cox
2009-01-06 22:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-06 23:08   ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-07  1:05     ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-06 23:08   ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-06 23:22     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-07  2:16       ` Dave Chinner
2009-01-08 15:50         ` Dmitri Monakhov
2009-01-06 23:11   ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-06 23:24     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-07  1:14       ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-07  1:38         ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-07  1:49           ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-07  2:57             ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-07  3:28               ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-08 13:24               ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-10 15:07                 ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-10 21:32                   ` sync, reboot, and corrupting data [was Re: 2.6.29 -mm merge plans] Pavel Machek
2009-01-10 22:12                     ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-10 22:26                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-08 13:22       ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2009-01-06 23:13   ` 2.6.29 -mm merge plans Andrew Morton
2009-01-06 23:24     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-06 23:38       ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-07  2:06     ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-07  2:16       ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-07  3:05         ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-07  4:16           ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-06 23:15   ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-06 23:25     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-07  7:54       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-07  7:59         ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-07  8:10           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-06 23:17   ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-06 23:19     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-06 23:26       ` Warren Turkal
2009-01-06 23:26         ` Warren Turkal
2009-01-12  3:19         ` Roman Zippel
2009-01-06 23:27       ` Diego E. 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2009-01-06 23:31         ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-06 23:49           ` Harvey Harrison
2009-01-07  0:09           ` Diego E. 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2009-01-07  0:16             ` Harvey Harrison
2009-01-12  4:21         ` Roman Zippel
2009-01-06 23:19   ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-08 19:11     ` Rodolfo Giometti
2009-01-12 20:23       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-13  9:49         ` Rodolfo Giometti
2009-01-12 20:22     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-13  9:47       ` Rodolfo Giometti
2009-01-06 23:21   ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-06 23:28   ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-07  2:21     ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-08  8:39       ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-01-15  6:45         ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-07  0:01 ` Dan Williams

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