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From: Nikanth Karthikesan <knikanth@suse.de>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Evgeniy Polyakov" <zbr@ioremap.net>,
	"Chris Snook" <csnook@redhat.com>,
	"Alan Cox" <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
	"Paul Menage" <menage@google.com>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH] Cgroup based OOM killer controller
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:43:12 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200901221043.13684.knikanth@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090122122843.7e94878e.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>

On Thursday 22 January 2009 08:58:43 KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:38:21 +0530
>
> Nikanth Karthikesan <knikanth@suse.de> wrote:
> > As Alan Cox suggested/wondered in this thread,
> > http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/1/12/235 , this is a container group based
> > approach to override the oom killer selection without losing all the
> > benefits of the current oom killer heuristics and oom_adj interface.
> >
> > It adds a tunable oom.victim to the oom cgroup. The oom killer will kill
> > the process using the usual badness value but only within the cgroup with
> > the maximum value for oom.victim before killing any process from a cgroup
> > with a lesser oom.victim number. Oom killing could be disabled by setting
> > oom.victim=0.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Nikanth Karthikesan <knikanth@suse.de>
>
> Assume following
>   - the usar can tell "which process should be killed at first"
>
> What is the difference between oom_adj and this cgroup to users ?

It is next to impossible to specify the order among say 10 memory hogging 
tasks using oom_adj. Using this oom-controller users can specify the exact 
order.

> If oom_adj is hard to use, making it simpler is a good way, I think.
> rather than adding new complication.
>
> It seems both of oom_adj and this cgroup will be hard-to-use functions
> for usual system administrators. But no better idea than using memcg
> and committing memory usage.
>

To use oom_adj effectively one should continuously monitor oom_score of all 
the processes, which is a complex moving target and keep on adjusting the 
oom_adj of many tasks which still cannot guarantee the order. This controller 
is deterministic and hence easier to use.

Thanks
Nikanth

  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-22  5:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-21 11:08 [RFC] [PATCH] Cgroup based OOM killer controller Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-21 13:17 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-21 15:24   ` Nikanth Karthikesan
     [not found]     ` <200901212054.34929.knikanth-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-21 20:49       ` David Rientjes
2009-01-21 20:49         ` David Rientjes
2009-01-22  2:53         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]           ` <20090122115324.b954c6a1.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22  5:12             ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-22  5:12           ` Nikanth Karthikesan
     [not found]         ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0901211241040.21080-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22  2:53           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-01-22  5:12           ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-22  5:12         ` Nikanth Karthikesan
     [not found]           ` <200901221042.30957.knikanth-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22  8:43             ` David Rientjes
2009-01-22  8:43           ` David Rientjes
     [not found]             ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0901220036440.28850-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22  9:23               ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-22  9:50               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-22  9:23             ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-22  9:39               ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                 ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0901220134200.32502-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22 10:10                   ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-22 10:10                 ` Nikanth Karthikesan
     [not found]                   ` <200901221540.08108.knikanth-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22 10:18                     ` David Rientjes
2009-01-22 10:18                   ` David Rientjes
     [not found]               ` <200901221453.14860.knikanth-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22  9:39                 ` David Rientjes
2009-01-22  9:50             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]               ` <20090122095026.GA10579-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22 10:00                 ` David Rientjes
2009-01-22 10:00                   ` David Rientjes
2009-01-22 10:14                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                     ` <20090122101424.GA12317-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22 10:27                       ` David Rientjes
2009-01-22 10:27                         ` David Rientjes
2009-01-22 13:21                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-22 20:28                           ` David Rientjes
2009-01-22 21:06                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                               ` <20090122210613.GA10158-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22 21:35                                 ` David Rientjes
2009-01-22 21:35                                   ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                                   ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0901221314010.6145-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22 22:04                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-22 22:04                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                                     ` <20090122220446.GA1651-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22 22:28                                       ` David Rientjes
2009-01-22 22:28                                     ` David Rientjes
2009-01-22 22:53                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                                         ` <20090122225304.GA3551-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22 23:25                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-22 23:25                                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                                       ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0901221415050.10427-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22 22:53                                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                             ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0901221216330.2085-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22 21:06                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-27 23:55                           ` Paul Menage
     [not found]                           ` <20090122132133.GA17524-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22 20:28                             ` David Rientjes
2009-01-27 23:55                             ` Paul Menage
     [not found]                         ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0901220218120.2851-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22 13:21                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-23  9:45                           ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-23  9:45                         ` Nikanth Karthikesan
     [not found]                           ` <200901231515.37442.knikanth-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-23 10:33                             ` David Rientjes
2009-01-23 10:33                               ` David Rientjes
2009-01-23 14:56                               ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-23 20:44                                 ` David Rientjes
2009-01-27 10:20                                   ` Nikanth Karthikesan
     [not found]                                     ` <200901271550.16902.knikanth-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-27 10:53                                       ` David Rientjes
2009-01-27 10:53                                         ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                                         ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0901270244380.23757-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-27 11:08                                           ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-27 11:08                                         ` Nikanth Karthikesan
     [not found]                                           ` <200901271638.21720.knikanth-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-27 11:21                                             ` David Rientjes
2009-01-27 11:21                                               ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                                               ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0901270316040.25608-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-27 11:37                                                 ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-27 11:37                                               ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-27 20:29                                                 ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                                                 ` <200901271707.48770.knikanth-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-27 20:29                                                   ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                                   ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0901231230370.14231-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-27 10:20                                     ` Nikanth Karthikesan
     [not found]                                 ` <200901232026.16778.knikanth-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-23 20:44                                   ` David Rientjes
2009-01-28  1:00                                   ` Paul Menage
2009-01-28  1:00                                 ` Paul Menage
     [not found]                                   ` <6599ad830901271700u43e472dk742992334e456a13-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-29 15:48                                     ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-29 15:48                                   ` Nikanth Karthikesan
     [not found]                               ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0901230223500.15719-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-23 14:56                                 ` Nikanth Karthikesan
     [not found]                   ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0901220156310.1738-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22 10:14                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]   ` <20090121131739.GB4997-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-21 15:24     ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-22  3:28 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-01-22  5:13   ` Nikanth Karthikesan [this message]
2009-01-22  5:27     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-01-22  6:11       ` Nikanth Karthikesan
     [not found]       ` <20090122142721.34068fdf.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22  6:11         ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-22  5:39     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
     [not found]       ` <d6200be20901212139u3683c829x4db1840a28986a6f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22  6:12         ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-22  6:12       ` Nikanth Karthikesan
     [not found]         ` <200901221142.00803.knikanth-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22  6:29           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-01-22  6:29         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
     [not found]           ` <d6200be20901212229y47353d3ft72fbfed6ffaba999-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22  6:42             ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2009-01-22  6:42           ` Nikanth Karthikesan
     [not found]     ` <200901221043.13684.knikanth-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22  5:27       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-01-22  5:39       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
     [not found]   ` <20090122122843.7e94878e.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-22  5:13     ` Nikanth Karthikesan
     [not found] ` <200901211638.23101.knikanth-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-21 13:17   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-22  3:28   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-01-26 19:54   ` Balbir Singh
2009-01-26 19:54 ` Balbir Singh
2009-01-26 19:56   ` Alan Cox
     [not found]     ` <20090126195622.1d5bf488-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-27  7:02       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-01-27  7:02     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-01-27  7:26       ` Balbir Singh
2009-01-27  7:39       ` David Rientjes
2009-01-27  7:44         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
     [not found]           ` <20090127164238.D479.KOSAKI.MOTOHIRO-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-27  7:51             ` David Rientjes
2009-01-27  7:51               ` David Rientjes
     [not found]               ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0901262350110.14525-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-27  9:31                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-27  9:31                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                   ` <20090127093105.GB2646-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-27  9:37                     ` David Rientjes
2009-01-27  9:37                       ` David Rientjes
2009-01-27 13:40                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                         ` <20090127134038.GA18119-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-27 20:37                           ` David Rientjes
2009-01-27 20:37                         ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                           ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0901271230140.21124-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-27 21:51                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-27 21:51                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                       ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0901270134360.20070-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-27 13:40                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-27 10:40                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-01-27 10:40                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
     [not found]                     ` <20090127193058.D48B.KOSAKI.MOTOHIRO-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-27 13:45                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-27 13:45                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-27 15:40                       ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]                         ` <20090127154053.GQ504-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-27 21:54                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-27 21:54                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                       ` <20090127134559.GB18119-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-27 15:40                         ` Balbir Singh
2009-01-27 20:41                         ` David Rientjes
2009-01-27 20:41                       ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                         ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0901271238090.21124-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-27 21:55                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-01-27 21:55                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]         ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0901262325320.13157-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-27  7:44           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
     [not found]       ` <20090127155825.D476.KOSAKI.MOTOHIRO-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-27  7:26         ` Balbir Singh
2009-01-27  7:39         ` David Rientjes
     [not found]   ` <20090126195431.GC504-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-26 19:56     ` Alan Cox
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2009-01-21 11:08 Nikanth Karthikesan

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