From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1LVu7B-0004wU-Gj for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:49:25 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LVu79-0004w9-J8 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:49:23 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LVu78-0004vJ-Hm for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:49:23 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60634 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LVu78-0004v8-C3 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:49:22 -0500 Received: from aybabtu.com ([69.60.117.155]:50179) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LVu77-0006XK-UU for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:49:22 -0500 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (helo=thorin) by aybabtu.com with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LVu1t-000614-Ny for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Feb 2009 21:43:58 +0100 Received: from rmh by thorin with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LVu6b-0000uj-Fe for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Feb 2009 21:48:49 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 21:48:49 +0100 From: Robert Millan To: The development of GRUB 2 Message-ID: <20090207204849.GI988@thorin> References: <9f50a7a00901112110g7b7efac7p51435322a07c8045@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a00901112110g7b7efac7p51435322a07c8045@mail.gmail.com> Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Thunderbird! www.mozilla.com/thunderbird X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. Subject: Re: EFI through virtualization? X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 20:49:24 -0000 On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:10:25PM -0600, Jerone Young wrote: > You guys wouldn't happen to know any good ways to test out EFI through > virtualization. I see some Qemu stuff that is rather old. But I'm not too > trusting of it's funcationality now. I'd like to play around and test/debug > some of the grub2 efi support, without having to buy a Mac. Any ideas? I wouldn't be overly concerned about hacking on EFI unless you're going to use it yourself. Keep in mind that EFI is a proprietary system (even moreso than BIOS). It's good that EFI users are able to run GRUB on it, and that GRUB works well for them, but we shouldn't consider EFI one of our first priorities IMO. The FSF is actively endoring free firmware like coreboot instead: http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/free-bios.html (note this text also mentions EFI) I'm not a GRUB maintainer, but being a GNU project I think our priority after i386/BIOS should be supporting coreboot. I expect the maintainers would agree with that. That said, it's your time not mine. -- Robert Millan The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."