From: Brian Swetland <swetland@google.com>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
Cc: linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Uli Luckas <u.luckas@road.de>,
"ncunningham@crca.org.au" <ncunningham@crca.org.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api.
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:24:09 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090213142409.GA29487@bulgaria.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090213140654.GC26549@srcf.ucam.org>
[Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>]
>
> Ok, so let's think about this differently. What we want is simply for
> drivers to be able to block an automatic suspend. For performance
> reasons we want to keep track of this state without calling into the
> entire driver tree. Now that the userspace API can automatically clean
> up after itself, why is this not just a simple counter? Kernel API would
> be something like:
>
> (input arrives)
> inhibit_suspend();
> (input queue is emptied)
> uninhibit_suspend();
>
> perhaps using the device struct or something as a token for debug
> purposes. Userland ABI would then be a single /dev/inhibit_suspend,
> with the counter being bumped each time an application opens it. It'll
> automatically be dropped if the application exits without cleaning up.
>
> This seems simpler and also avoids any arguments about the naming
> scheme. What am I missing?
If we can enable keeping stats (probably as a config option that
defaults off) to help answer the "battery life is down 20% in this
build, are we preventing suspend more than before?" question, this
seems like a reasonable direction to me.
For the case where somebody wants to release the hold on suspend after a
timer expiration, that can be built on top of this, so that's covered.
I think the "what happens when a process crashes and its suspend
inhibits are released" issue still needs some thought -- if say a
background/service process crashes while holding a lock we want to
have the process be able to be restarted by init or whatnot without
having to wait for some other activity. This is a real example we
ran into in the past -- telephony process crashes and the device
doesn't get back on the network until the user presses a key, an
alarm fires, etc.
I suspect this is more sparse than Arve is hoping for, and maybe
I've missed some obvious concern he has.
Brian
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-02-13 14:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 192+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-02-05 2:50 [RFC][PATCH 00/11] Android PM extensions Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 02/13] PM: Add early suspend api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 03/13] PM: Implement wakelock api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 04/13] PM: wakelock: Override wakelocks when using /sys/power/state Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 05/13] PM: Add option to disable /sys/power/state interface Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 06/13] PM: Implement early suspend api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 07/13] PM: wakelock: Add /sys/power/request_state Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 08/13] PM: Add user-space wake lock api Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 09/13] PM: wakelock: Abort task freezing if a wake lock is held Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 10/13] PM: earlysuspend: Add console switch when user requested sleep state changes Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 11/13] PM: earlysuspend: Removing dependence on console Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 12/13] Input: Hold wake lock while event queue is not empty Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 2:50 ` [PATCH 13/13] ledtrig-sleep: Add led trigger for sleep debugging Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 9:08 ` [PATCH 12/13] Input: Hold wake lock while event queue is not empty Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 9:06 ` [PATCH 11/13] PM: earlysuspend: Removing dependence on console Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 9:42 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 9:53 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 9:03 ` [PATCH 10/13] PM: earlysuspend: Add console switch when user requested sleep state changes Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 9:37 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 9:51 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 10:54 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-06 2:29 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 22:02 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 22:53 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 22:58 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 8:55 ` [PATCH 09/13] PM: wakelock: Abort task freezing if a wake lock is held Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 9:30 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 9:49 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 9:58 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 10:02 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 10:08 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-06 3:42 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 23:00 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-06 0:35 ` mark gross
2009-02-05 8:53 ` [PATCH 08/13] PM: Add user-space wake lock api Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 8:52 ` [PATCH 07/13] PM: wakelock: Add /sys/power/request_state Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 9:25 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 9:27 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-07 22:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-06 0:18 ` [PATCH 06/13] PM: Implement early suspend api mark gross
2009-02-07 22:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 2:32 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-08 13:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-05 9:17 ` [PATCH 05/13] PM: Add option to disable /sys/power/state interface Pavel Machek
2009-02-07 22:37 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 10:33 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 13:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 14:04 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-08 21:06 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09 1:58 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-10 0:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 23:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 23:58 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09 0:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09 1:35 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09 1:53 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-09 8:58 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09 13:31 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-10 11:19 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09 9:15 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09 3:07 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-11 22:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09 9:09 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-12 11:16 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-08 21:04 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 21:40 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-08 23:00 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 23:03 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09 0:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09 2:11 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-09 2:24 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09 2:56 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-09 9:01 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-10 0:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-10 9:13 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-10 14:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 23:41 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 23:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-07 22:31 ` [PATCH 04/13] PM: wakelock: Override wakelocks when using /sys/power/state Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-05 9:16 ` [PATCH 03/13] PM: Implement wakelock api Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 15:24 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-06 0:10 ` mark gross
2009-02-06 0:38 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-07 0:33 ` mark gross
2009-02-07 0:47 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09 18:00 ` mark gross
2009-02-10 20:24 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-07 22:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-11 2:52 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-05 9:14 ` [PATCH 02/13] PM: Add early suspend api Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 23:26 ` mark gross
2009-02-06 9:33 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-06 23:26 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-07 20:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-07 23:34 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 20:59 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-05 9:11 ` [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api Pavel Machek
2009-02-06 0:28 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-06 9:45 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-08 21:30 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:11 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09 9:06 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 22:17 ` non-racy examples, please (was Re: [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api.) Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 22:40 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 23:14 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-08 23:35 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-10 11:15 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-11 3:12 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-09 1:49 ` non-racy examples, please (was Re: [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api. ) Uli Luckas
2009-02-10 11:17 ` non-racy examples, please (was Re: [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock?api.) Pavel Machek
2009-02-10 12:10 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-10 13:14 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-10 13:20 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-10 13:42 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-10 12:35 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-06 1:32 ` [PATCH 01/13] PM: Add wake lock api mark gross
2009-02-05 22:51 ` mark gross
2009-02-06 0:13 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-10 20:25 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-11 2:11 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-11 4:47 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-11 8:40 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-11 14:58 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-11 15:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 22:57 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-11 21:37 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-11 22:05 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-11 23:55 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-12 18:47 ` mark gross
2009-02-07 18:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-07 22:51 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-07 23:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-08 0:20 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-08 21:21 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-09 0:03 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09 0:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-09 2:03 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-11 22:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-11 23:42 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-12 22:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-12 23:42 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-13 1:10 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 2:21 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-13 2:40 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-02-13 3:17 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-13 10:55 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 14:06 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 14:24 ` Brian Swetland [this message]
2009-02-13 14:37 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 14:46 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-13 15:07 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 22:52 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-13 16:46 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 17:05 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 18:13 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 19:14 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 19:35 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 16:49 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-13 17:09 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-13 18:18 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-27 13:18 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 14:07 ` Uli Luckas
2009-02-27 20:32 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-02 13:53 ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-03 14:02 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-04 13:41 ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-04 14:00 ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-04 14:13 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-04 14:34 ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-04 17:10 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-05 17:42 ` Uli Luckas
2009-03-08 8:32 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-08 12:34 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-13 23:36 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-14 0:05 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-14 0:50 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-14 1:06 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-14 1:33 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-14 1:49 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-14 5:51 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-14 20:44 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-26 15:04 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-26 21:11 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-26 21:36 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 0:16 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-27 9:56 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-28 3:20 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-06 23:51 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/11] Android PM extensions Rafael J. Wysocki
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