From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: "Oliver Neukum" <oliver@neukum.org>,
"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
"Alan Stern" <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
"Woodruff, Richard" <r-woodruff2@ti.com>,
"Arjan van de Ven" <arjan@infradead.org>,
"Kyle Moffett" <kyle@moffetthome.net>,
"Benjamin Herrenschmidt" <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
"pm list" <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>,
"Nigel Cunningham" <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>,
"mark gross" <mgross@linux.intel.com>,
"Uli Luckas" <u.luckas@road.de>,
"Igor Stoppa" <igor.stoppa@nokia.com>,
"Brian Swetland" <swetland@google.com>,
"Len Brown" <lenb@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFD] Automatic suspend
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:45:48 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090220234548.GA9297@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200902210040.50344.rjw@sisk.pl>
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 12:40:48AM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> We can't do the quirks from the kernel and that's one of the reasons why I
> think user space should start automatic suspend (it can do the quirks if
> necessary).
Any sort of automatic suspend is simply impossible in a world where your
drivers don't work properly. There's code for making intel and radeon
handle suspend/resume themselves now, and nvidia before g80 should also
be easy. More recent nvidia is going to be some work.
But yeah. Let's not have "Work around broken drivers" as a design goal.
The argument against timeouts in wakelocks works just as well here.
--
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org
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2009-02-15 23:10 [RFD] Automatic suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-15 23:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-16 0:44 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 0:44 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 2:12 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-16 2:12 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-16 2:20 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 2:20 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 3:23 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-16 3:23 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-16 3:30 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 3:30 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 23:05 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16 23:05 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16 7:06 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-16 7:06 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-16 15:40 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 16:48 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-16 16:48 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-16 17:31 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 20:08 ` Kyle Moffett
2009-02-16 20:28 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 20:28 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 20:39 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-16 20:39 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-16 20:45 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 20:45 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 21:32 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-16 21:32 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-16 21:52 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 22:36 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-16 22:59 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 23:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-16 23:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-16 23:23 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-16 23:23 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-17 10:12 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-17 10:12 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-17 13:58 ` Mark Brown
2009-02-17 13:58 ` Mark Brown
2009-02-17 14:20 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-17 14:20 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-17 14:24 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-17 14:56 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-17 14:56 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-17 14:24 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-17 14:46 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-17 14:46 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-17 14:51 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-17 14:51 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-17 14:56 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-17 14:56 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-17 15:32 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-18 0:04 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-18 0:04 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-18 0:18 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-18 5:35 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-18 5:35 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-18 0:18 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-18 0:52 ` mark gross
2009-02-18 0:52 ` mark gross
2009-02-18 5:11 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-18 5:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-18 5:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-18 5:11 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-17 15:32 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-18 15:15 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-18 15:15 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-18 15:20 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-18 15:20 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-17 14:58 ` Igor Stoppa
2009-02-17 14:58 ` Igor Stoppa
2009-02-17 15:28 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-17 15:28 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-18 0:55 ` mark gross
2009-02-18 0:55 ` mark gross
2009-02-18 2:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-18 2:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-18 17:48 ` Jesse Barnes
2009-02-18 17:52 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-18 18:01 ` Jesse Barnes
2009-02-18 18:01 ` Jesse Barnes
2009-02-18 22:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-18 22:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-18 17:52 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-18 17:48 ` Jesse Barnes
2009-03-01 22:51 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-01 22:51 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 10:00 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 10:00 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-18 0:45 ` mark gross
2009-02-18 0:45 ` mark gross
2009-02-20 5:35 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20 15:27 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-20 15:27 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-20 5:35 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20 18:22 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-20 18:26 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-20 20:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 22:43 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20 22:43 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20 20:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 18:26 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-20 18:22 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16 23:41 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 23:41 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 22:59 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 23:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-16 23:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-17 3:09 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-17 3:09 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-17 23:21 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-18 4:46 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-18 4:46 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-18 21:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-18 21:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-18 22:35 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-18 22:35 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-18 22:44 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-18 22:44 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-18 23:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-18 23:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-18 23:31 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-19 12:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-19 14:59 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-19 21:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-19 21:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-19 21:56 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-19 21:56 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-19 22:08 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-19 22:21 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-19 22:58 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-20 10:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 10:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 22:05 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-20 22:05 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-20 22:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 22:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 23:11 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20 23:11 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20 23:20 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-20 23:20 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-21 1:59 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-21 1:59 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-19 22:58 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-19 22:21 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-19 22:21 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-19 22:21 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 2:39 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20 2:39 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20 10:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 10:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 11:26 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20 11:26 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20 15:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 15:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 16:07 ` Kyle Moffett
2009-02-20 20:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 20:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 21:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 21:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 16:07 ` Kyle Moffett
2009-02-20 23:03 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20 23:03 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-20 23:57 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 23:57 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-21 1:08 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-21 1:08 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-21 9:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-21 9:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-21 10:32 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-21 20:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-21 20:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-23 23:13 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-23 23:13 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-23 23:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-24 0:02 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-24 0:02 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-23 23:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-21 10:32 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-27 10:12 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 10:12 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 10:09 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 10:09 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 14:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-27 14:29 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-27 14:29 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-27 20:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-27 20:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-27 22:09 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-27 22:09 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-27 22:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-27 22:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-27 20:40 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 20:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-27 20:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-27 22:56 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-27 23:44 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-28 3:04 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-28 3:04 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-27 23:44 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-28 10:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-28 10:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-28 21:57 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-28 21:57 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-28 22:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-28 23:38 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-28 23:38 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-03-01 23:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-03-01 23:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-03-02 23:48 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-03-02 23:48 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-03-03 22:39 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-03-03 23:38 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-03-03 23:38 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-03-04 0:49 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-04 0:49 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-03 22:39 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-03-01 0:06 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-03-01 0:06 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-03-01 6:28 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-03-01 6:28 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-03-01 9:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-03-01 9:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-03-01 9:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-03-01 9:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-03-03 1:22 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-03-03 1:22 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-03-03 13:51 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-03 13:51 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-04 0:06 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-03-04 0:06 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-03-04 0:47 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-04 0:47 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-01 23:08 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-01 23:08 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-28 22:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-03-03 13:57 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-03 13:57 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-03 23:51 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-03-03 23:51 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-27 22:56 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2009-02-27 20:40 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-27 14:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-20 23:12 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-20 23:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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2009-02-27 10:16 ` Pavel Machek
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2009-02-27 14:46 ` Alan Stern
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2009-02-19 14:59 ` Alan Stern
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2009-03-05 13:48 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-05 13:48 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-18 23:31 ` Alan Stern
2009-03-01 22:56 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-01 22:56 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-02 8:24 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-03-02 8:24 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-03-02 14:34 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-02 14:34 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-02 15:13 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-03-02 15:13 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-17 23:21 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-16 22:36 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-16 21:52 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 20:08 ` Kyle Moffett
2009-02-16 23:20 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-16 23:20 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-20 18:05 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-20 18:05 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16 17:31 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 15:40 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 6:23 ` Roland Dreier
2009-02-16 15:38 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 15:38 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 22:47 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16 22:47 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16 6:23 ` Roland Dreier
2009-02-16 7:02 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-16 7:02 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-16 21:48 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-16 21:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 21:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-16 21:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 21:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 22:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-16 22:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-16 22:40 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-16 22:40 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-16 22:56 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 22:56 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 23:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-16 23:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-17 2:43 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-17 2:43 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-17 2:57 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-17 3:26 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-17 3:26 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-17 2:57 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 23:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-17 2:56 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-17 23:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-18 8:53 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-18 8:53 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-18 14:51 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-18 14:51 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-18 15:05 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-18 15:10 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-18 15:55 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-18 15:55 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-18 16:39 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-18 16:39 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-18 17:10 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-18 17:10 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-18 15:10 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-18 15:05 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-18 15:09 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-18 15:09 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-17 23:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-17 2:56 ` Alan Stern
2009-02-16 23:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-16 22:51 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16 22:51 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16 22:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 22:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-02-16 23:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-16 23:18 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16 23:18 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16 23:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-16 23:29 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-16 23:29 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-02-16 21:48 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-16 22:58 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16 23:13 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-16 23:13 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-16 23:22 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16 23:26 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-16 23:26 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-17 14:14 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-17 14:14 ` Brian Swetland
2009-02-17 14:19 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-17 14:19 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-16 23:22 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-17 21:57 ` mark gross
2009-02-17 22:04 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-17 22:19 ` Jesse Barnes
2009-02-17 23:28 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-17 23:28 ` Woodruff, Richard
2009-02-18 0:34 ` mark gross
2009-02-18 0:34 ` mark gross
2009-02-17 22:19 ` Jesse Barnes
2009-02-17 22:04 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-02-18 17:30 ` Chris Ball
2009-02-18 17:30 ` Chris Ball
2009-02-17 21:57 ` mark gross
2009-02-16 23:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-22 13:46 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-22 13:46 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-16 23:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-02-16 22:58 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-18 0:27 ` mark gross
2009-02-18 21:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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