From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1LazSC-0006Y0-US for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:32:08 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LazSA-0006V9-UW for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:32:06 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LazS9-0006Sa-DO for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:32:06 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=46305 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LazS9-0006SM-86 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:32:05 -0500 Received: from aybabtu.com ([69.60.117.155]:38888) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LazS8-0006hJ-GH for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:32:05 -0500 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (helo=thorin) by aybabtu.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LazLa-0000ND-IH for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:25:19 +0100 Received: from rmh by thorin with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LazS5-0004zR-Pa for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:32:01 +0100 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:32:01 +0100 From: Robert Millan To: The development of GRUB 2 Message-ID: <20090221213201.GB19131@thorin> References: <200902211729.52450.michael@gorven.za.net> <20090221203136.GF18492@thorin> <200902212243.31194.michael@gorven.za.net> <20090221210439.GJ18492@thorin> <49A06F4E.1000802@student.ethz.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49A06F4E.1000802@student.ethz.ch> Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Thunderbird! www.mozilla.com/thunderbird X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. Subject: Re: A _good_ and valid use for TPM X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:32:07 -0000 On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:17:02PM +0100, Jan Alsenz wrote: > > > > First of all, I think it's a poor approach, because there's no way to garantee > > the TPM is doing what it's supposed to (can you read its source code? how do > > you know for sure there are no backdoors?). > > As I said before: you can make the very same argument for every single part of > your PC. > Why do you trust Intel or AMD with your CPU? They are also involved in the TCG! You took the least relevant part of my argument, and assumed this is the reason I object to TPMs. Please check the rest of my previous mail. Anyway, it's obvious that I trust my CPU because I have no other choice. The context in which I said this, is different: there are better choices there. -- Robert Millan The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."