From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Lb184-0001y9-Rm for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:19:28 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Lb182-0001t3-5f for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:19:26 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Lb180-0001pp-82 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:19:25 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39219 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Lb17z-0001pb-WF for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:19:24 -0500 Received: from aybabtu.com ([69.60.117.155]:56707) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Lb17z-0008MB-N8 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:19:23 -0500 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (helo=thorin) by aybabtu.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lb11N-0004Sm-U9 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 00:12:34 +0100 Received: from rmh by thorin with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lb17t-00011W-Kx for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 00:19:17 +0100 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 00:19:17 +0100 From: Robert Millan To: The development of GRUB 2 Message-ID: <20090221231917.GA3901@thorin> References: <200902211729.52450.michael@gorven.za.net> <20090221203136.GF18492@thorin> <200902212243.31194.michael@gorven.za.net> <20090221210439.GJ18492@thorin> <49A06F4E.1000802@student.ethz.ch> <20090221213201.GB19131@thorin> <49A078DE.6090207@student.ethz.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49A078DE.6090207@student.ethz.ch> Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Thunderbird! www.mozilla.com/thunderbird X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. Subject: Re: A _good_ and valid use for TPM X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:19:26 -0000 On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:57:50PM +0100, Jan Alsenz wrote: > > > > You took the least relevant part of my argument, and assumed this is the reason > > I object to TPMs. Please check the rest of my previous mail. > > I didn't assume that. And I picked this argument because it is the only one I > object! > Because I think it is not an argument... > > > Anyway, it's obvious that I trust my CPU because I have no other choice. The > > context in which I said this, is different: there are better choices there. > > ... and since you seem to agree, please don't use it. > > > You seem to assume, that I really like the idea of a TPM, or something like that. > I can assure you, that this is not the case. My only goal is to keep the > discussion based on facts and reason. Which way too often get lost in this kind > of discussion (and I want to stress that this is not an accusation to anyone here). Thanks for clarifiing, I appreciate your response. -- Robert Millan The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."