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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "K.Prasad" <prasad@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 02/11] x86 architecture implementation of Hardware Breakpoint interfaces
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:24:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090314122434.GA14521@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0903131702280.5149-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>


* Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Mar 2009, K.Prasad wrote:
> 
> > Here's a summary of the intended changes to the patchset, which I hope
> > to post early the following week. It tears down many features in the
> > present submission (The write-up below is done without the benefit of
> > actually having run into limitations while trying to chisel out code).
> > 
> > - Adopt a static allocation method for registers, say FCFS (and perhaps
> >   botton-up for user-space allocations and the reverse for
> >   kernel-space), although individual counters to do book-keeping should also
> >   suffice.
> 
> You can't enforce bottom-up allocation for userspace breakpoint
> requests. [...]

That's not the point.

The point is to offer a reasonable and simple static allocator 
that will work fine with usual gdb usage. If something takes 
away db4 that's as if user-space took away all registers - tough 
luck.

You are trying to put complexity into a situation that is not 
schedulable hence not resolvable _anyway_. There's just 4 debug 
registers, not more. If the combined usage goes above four 
someone will lose anyway - even with your allocator.

With my proposal the 'loss' can indeed come sooner if user-space 
took db4 and there's nothing left for the kernel anymore - but 
that's just an uninteresting special case that wont occur with 
typical debug-register usage.

If it ever causes problems seriously _then_ will be the time to 
consider "is it worth adding a more complex, dynamic allocator 
for debug registers". Not now. This stuff is currently 
over-designed and not acceptable to me in its current form.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-14 12:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20090305043440.189041194@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
2009-03-05  4:37 ` [patch 01/11] Introducing generic hardware breakpoint handler interfaces prasad
2009-03-10 13:50   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-10 14:19     ` Alan Stern
2009-03-10 14:50       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-11 12:57         ` K.Prasad
2009-03-11 13:35           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-05  4:38 ` [patch 02/11] x86 architecture implementation of Hardware Breakpoint interfaces prasad
2009-03-10 14:09   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-10 14:59     ` Alan Stern
2009-03-10 15:18       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-10 17:11         ` Alan Stern
2009-03-10 17:26           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-10 20:30             ` Alan Stern
2009-03-11 12:12               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-11 12:50                 ` K.Prasad
2009-03-11 13:10                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-14  3:46                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-03-11 16:39                   ` Alan Stern
2009-03-11 16:32                 ` Alan Stern
2009-03-11 17:41                   ` K.Prasad
2009-03-14  3:47                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-03-14  3:43                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-03-14  3:41               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-03-14  3:40             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-03-12  2:46     ` Roland McGrath
2009-03-13  3:43       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-13 14:04         ` Alan Stern
2009-03-13 14:13           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-13 19:01             ` K.Prasad
2009-03-13 21:21               ` Alan Stern
2009-03-14 12:24                 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-03-14 16:10                   ` Alan Stern
2009-03-14 16:39                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-14  3:51       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-03-05  4:38 ` [patch 03/11] Modifying generic debug exception to use virtual debug registers prasad
2009-03-05  4:38 ` [patch 04/11] Introduce virtual debug register in thread_struct and wrapper-routines around process related functions prasad
2009-03-10 14:35   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-10 15:53     ` Alan Stern
2009-03-10 17:06       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-12  2:26     ` Roland McGrath
2009-03-05  4:38 ` [patch 05/11] Use wrapper routines around debug registers in processor " prasad
2009-03-05  4:40 ` [patch 06/11] Use virtual debug registers in process/thread handling code prasad
2009-03-10 14:49   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-10 16:05     ` Alan Stern
2009-03-10 16:58       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-10 17:07       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-10 20:10         ` Alan Stern
2009-03-11 11:53           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-05  4:40 ` [patch 07/11] Modify signal handling code to refrain from re-enabling HW Breakpoints prasad
2009-03-05  4:40 ` [patch 08/11] Modify Ptrace routines to access breakpoint registers prasad
2009-03-10 14:40   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-10 15:54     ` Alan Stern
2009-03-12  3:14     ` Roland McGrath
2009-03-05  4:41 ` [patch 09/11] Cleanup HW Breakpoint registers before kexec prasad
2009-03-10 14:42   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-05  4:41 ` [patch 10/11] Sample HW breakpoint over kernel data address prasad
2009-03-05  4:43 ` prasad
2009-03-05  4:43 ` [patch 11/11] ftrace plugin for kernel symbol tracing using HW Breakpoint interfaces prasad
2009-03-05  6:37   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-03-05  9:16     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-05 13:15       ` K.Prasad
2009-03-05 13:28         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-05 11:33     ` K.Prasad
2009-03-05 12:19       ` K.Prasad
2009-03-05 12:30         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-03-05 12:28       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-03-05 15:00     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-03-05 14:54   ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found] <20090307045120.039324630@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
2009-03-07  5:05 ` [Patch 02/11] x86 architecture implementation of Hardware " prasad
     [not found] <20090319234044.410725944@K.Prasad>
2009-03-19 23:48 ` K.Prasad
     [not found] <20090324152028.754123712@K.Prasad>
2009-03-24 15:25 ` K.Prasad

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