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From: Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmail.fm>
To: david@lang.hm
Cc: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Sitsofe Wheeler <sitsofe@yahoo.com>,
	"Andreas T.Auer" <andreas.t.auer_lkml_73537@ursus.ath.cx>,
	Alberto Gonzalez <info@gnebu.es>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Ext4 and the "30 second window of death"
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 09:36:59 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090402223659.GC6898@brong.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0904021134560.28893@asgard.lang.hm>

On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 11:44:20AM -0700, david@lang.hm wrote:
> let's not talk a database here, let's talk something simpler, like a POP3 
> mail client (even though I strongly favor IMAP ;-)
>
> it wants to have the message saved before it deletes it from the server.
>
> how should it try to do this?
>
> the only portable method is to fsync the file after it's written and  
> before sending the delete to the server.
>
> so your mail client _should_ issue fsync calls.
>
> however, some (many, most??) users would probably be willing to loose a  
> little e-mail to gain a significant increase in battery life on their  
> laptops.

Obviously it should do a spamminess test.  If the sender is in your
addressbook/whitelist then fsync it, otherwise if it looks spammy,
don't bother.

Seriously, there's no way of telling which emails are the really
important job offer/flight confirmation/invitation from that really
cute girl you met that one time...

... lots of data is like that.  It's usually not important except
when it really, really is - and the average user don't want to be
babysitting every single decision about importance.

  "Your email program wants to spin up the disk to store a message,
   confirm or deny"

Bron.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-04-02 22:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-29 10:24 Ext4 and the "30 second window of death" Alberto Gonzalez
2009-03-31 12:25 ` Theodore Tso
2009-03-31 12:52   ` Alberto Gonzalez
2009-03-31 13:45     ` Theodore Tso
2009-03-31 14:45       ` Alberto Gonzalez
2009-04-01  0:04         ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-01  1:14           ` Alberto Gonzalez
2009-03-31 22:02       ` Alberto Gonzalez
2009-03-31 23:22         ` Andreas T.Auer
2009-04-01  1:25           ` Alberto Gonzalez
2009-04-01  1:50           ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-01  5:20             ` Sitsofe Wheeler
2009-04-01 15:12               ` Matthew Garrett
2009-04-01 17:35                 ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-01 17:43                   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-04-01 21:21                     ` Ray Lee
2009-04-01 21:26                       ` Matthew Garrett
2009-04-02 11:25                       ` Sitsofe Wheeler
2009-04-02 18:22                     ` david
2009-04-02 18:29                       ` Matthew Garrett
2009-04-02 18:44                         ` david
2009-04-02 20:07                           ` Ray Lee
2009-04-02 20:59                             ` Andreas T.Auer
2009-04-02 23:38                               ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-03  0:00                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-04-03  7:33                                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-04-03  8:14                                 ` Andreas T.Auer
2009-04-02 22:36                           ` Bron Gondwana [this message]
2009-04-02 23:46                           ` Matthew Garrett
2009-04-03  0:55                             ` david
2009-04-03  1:06                               ` Matthew Garrett
2009-04-03  1:16                                 ` david
2009-04-03  1:19                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-04-03  1:24                                     ` david
2009-04-03  1:36                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2009-04-03  3:08                                         ` david
2009-04-03 13:42                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2009-04-03  4:54                                         ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-03 11:09                                           ` Sitsofe Wheeler
2009-04-03 13:07                                           ` Alberto Gonzalez
2009-04-03 13:45                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2009-04-02 18:34                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-02 18:38                         ` Matthew Garrett
2009-04-02 18:56                           ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-02 23:47                             ` Matthew Garrett
2009-04-03  0:59                               ` david
2009-04-03  1:09                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-04-03  1:17                                   ` david
2009-04-03  1:22                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2009-04-03  2:22                             ` Ric Wheeler
2009-04-02 21:47                         ` david
2009-04-06 21:32                     ` supporting laptops fs-semantic changes (was Re: Ext4 and the "30 second window of death") Linda Walsh
2009-04-02 11:37                   ` Ext4 and the "30 second window of death" Sitsofe Wheeler
2009-04-01  8:51             ` Andreas T.Auer
2009-04-03  7:13   ` Bojan Smojver
2009-04-05  4:07     ` Bojan Smojver
2009-04-05  4:51       ` Bojan Smojver
2009-04-05  5:41       ` Bojan Smojver
2009-04-05 17:27   ` Ed Tomlinson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-04-05 18:13 Tomasz Chmielewski

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