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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Suresh B Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
	Venkatesh Pallipadi <venkatesh.pallipadi@intel.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Vatsa <vatsa@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Gautham R Shenoy <ego@in.ibm.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Gregory Haskins <gregory.haskins@gmail.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Arun Bharadwaj <arun@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 0/3] Saving power by cpu evacuation using sched_mc=n
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:52:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090428085237.GB26487@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1240907618.7620.86.camel@twins>


* Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl> wrote:

> > > Also, the user interface should be that single thermal 
> > > capacity knob, more fine grained control is undesired.
> > 
> > For power savings, a single evacuation knob will do.  While for 
> > thermal we will need additional parameters to choose the right 
> > cores to evacuate.  Some sort of directional/vector parameter.
> 
> Why? are machines that non-uniform in cooling capacity that it 
> really matters which core generates the heat? Sounds like badly 
> designed hardware to me.
> 
> I would expect it to only be the total head generated/power taken 
> from the rack unit.

If we add thermal throttling at the kernel level then a single knob 
(with a percentile-ish unit) is probably the furthest we will go - 
with "not doing it at all" still being the other, very tempting 
alternative.

If the only technical way you can find to do it is via myriads of 
non-intuitive knobs and per core settings - then the answer is 
really 'no thanks'.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-28  8:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-26 20:46 [RFC PATCH v1 0/3] Saving power by cpu evacuation using sched_mc=n Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-04-26 20:46 ` [RFC PATCH v1 1/3] sched: add more levels of sched_mc Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-04-26 20:46 ` [RFC PATCH v1 2/3] sched: threshold helper functions Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-04-26 20:47 ` [RFC PATCH v1 3/3] sched: loadbalancer hacks for forced packing of tasks Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-04-27  3:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/3] Saving power by cpu evacuation using sched_mc=n Ingo Molnar
2009-04-27  5:43   ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-04-27  5:53     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-27  6:39       ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-04-27  7:01         ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-27  5:54   ` Dipankar Sarma
2009-04-27 10:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-27 14:20   ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-04-28  8:33     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-28  8:52       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-04-28 16:15         ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-04-28 16:11       ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan

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