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From: Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de>
To: Lars Ellenberg <lars.ellenberg@linbit.com>, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Philipp Reisner <philipp.reisner@linbit.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>, Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	Nikanth Karthikesan <knikanth@suse.de>,
	"Nicholas A. Bellinger" <nab@linux-iscsi.org>,
	Kyle Moffett <kyle@moffetthome.net>,
	Bart Van Assche <bart.vanassche@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/16] DRBD: a block device for HA clusters
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 18:12:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090504161252.GN17956@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090503213231.GA6243@racke>

On 2009-05-03T23:32:31, Lars Ellenberg <lars.ellenberg@linbit.com> wrote:

> Which it could not be while replication link is down,
> so once replication link is back (or remote node is back,
> which is not easily distinguishable just there, blablabla),
> you'd need to fetch the remote bitmap, and merge it with the local
> bitmap (feeding it into bitmap_set_bits),
> then re-attach the "failed" mirror.

Note that this sacrifices transactional consistency on the sync target;
an understandable trade-off (versus recording the stream of writes
entirely, which consumes space and possibly more resync bandwidth), but
a noteworthy one.

> But DRBD as of now does the connection handshake and bitmap exchange in
> kernel.  We wanted to have a fast compression scheme suitable for
> bitmaps, without cpu or memory overhead.  This does it quite nicely.

Sharing the connection between meta- and regular data also avoids some
ordering issues between channels, which probably helps simplify some
aspects of drbd.

Conceivably, the kernel could escalate such metadata/out-of-band
communications to user-space for handling, and user-space would then
afterwards instruct the continuation of the stream processing.

> or the link has been down,
> and the remote side decided to go active with it.

That is arguably a horrible failure on behalf of the cluster stack being
used, but indeed something drbd must be able to recover from.


Regards,
    Lars

-- 
SuSE Labs, OPS Engineering, Novell, Inc.
SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg)
"Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes." -- Oscar Wilde


  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-04 16:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-30 11:26 [PATCH 00/16] DRBD: a block device for HA clusters Philipp Reisner
2009-04-30 11:26 ` [PATCH 01/16] DRBD: major.h Philipp Reisner
2009-04-30 11:26   ` [PATCH 02/16] DRBD: lru_cache Philipp Reisner
2009-04-30 11:26     ` [PATCH 03/16] DRBD: activity_log Philipp Reisner
2009-04-30 11:26       ` [PATCH 04/16] DRBD: bitmap Philipp Reisner
2009-04-30 11:26         ` [PATCH 05/16] DRBD: request Philipp Reisner
2009-04-30 11:26           ` [PATCH 06/16] DRBD: userspace_interface Philipp Reisner
2009-04-30 11:26             ` [PATCH 07/16] DRBD: internal_data_structures Philipp Reisner
2009-04-30 11:26               ` [PATCH 08/16] DRBD: main Philipp Reisner
2009-04-30 11:26                 ` [PATCH 09/16] DRBD: receiver Philipp Reisner
2009-04-30 11:26                   ` [PATCH 10/16] DRBD: proc Philipp Reisner
2009-04-30 11:26                     ` [PATCH 11/16] DRBD: worker Philipp Reisner
2009-04-30 11:26                       ` [PATCH 12/16] DRBD: variable_length_integer_encoding Philipp Reisner
2009-04-30 11:26                         ` [PATCH 13/16] DRBD: misc Philipp Reisner
2009-04-30 11:26                           ` [PATCH 14/16] DRBD: tracepoint_probes Philipp Reisner
2009-04-30 11:26                             ` [PATCH 15/16] DRBD: documentation Philipp Reisner
2009-04-30 11:26                               ` [PATCH 16/16] DRBD: final Philipp Reisner
2009-05-02 15:45                         ` [PATCH 12/16] DRBD: variable_length_integer_encoding James Bottomley
2009-05-02 17:29                           ` Lars Ellenberg
2009-05-02 15:44                     ` [PATCH 10/16] DRBD: proc James Bottomley
2009-05-02 20:23                       ` Lars Ellenberg
2009-05-02 15:41         ` [PATCH 04/16] DRBD: bitmap James Bottomley
2009-05-02 17:28           ` Lars Ellenberg
2009-05-03  5:21             ` Neil Brown
2009-05-03  7:38               ` Lars Ellenberg
2009-05-05 17:48               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2009-05-05 17:51                 ` James Bottomley
2009-05-05 22:26                 ` Neil Brown
2009-05-01  9:01       ` [PATCH 03/16] DRBD: activity_log Andrew Morton
2009-05-02 17:00         ` Lars Ellenberg
2009-05-01  8:59     ` [PATCH 02/16] DRBD: lru_cache Andrew Morton
2009-05-02 15:26       ` Lars Ellenberg
2009-05-02 17:58         ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-02 18:13           ` Lars Ellenberg
2009-05-02 18:26             ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-02 19:39               ` Lars Ellenberg
2009-05-02 23:51     ` Kyle Moffett
2009-05-03  6:27       ` Lars Ellenberg
2009-05-03 14:06         ` Kyle Moffett
2009-05-03 22:48           ` Lars Ellenberg
2009-05-04  0:48             ` Kyle Moffett
2009-05-04  1:01               ` Kyle Moffett
2009-05-04 16:12                 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-04 16:15                   ` Lars Ellenberg
2009-05-01  8:59   ` [PATCH 01/16] DRBD: major.h Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  8:59 ` [PATCH 00/16] DRBD: a block device for HA clusters Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 11:15   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2009-05-01 13:14     ` Dave Jones
2009-05-01 19:14       ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-05  4:05     ` Christian Kujau
2009-05-02  7:33   ` Bart Van Assche
2009-05-03  5:36     ` Willy Tarreau
2009-05-03  5:40       ` david
2009-05-03 14:21         ` James Bottomley
2009-05-03 14:36           ` david
2009-05-03 14:45             ` James Bottomley
2009-05-03 14:56               ` david
2009-05-03 15:09                 ` James Bottomley
2009-05-03 15:22                   ` david
2009-05-03 15:38                     ` James Bottomley
2009-05-03 15:48                       ` david
2009-05-03 16:02                         ` James Bottomley
2009-05-03 16:13                           ` david
2009-05-04  8:28               ` Philipp Reisner
2009-05-04 17:24                 ` James Bottomley
2009-05-05  8:21                   ` Philipp Reisner
2009-05-05 14:09                     ` James Bottomley
2009-05-05 15:56                       ` Philipp Reisner
2009-05-05 17:05                         ` James Bottomley
2009-05-05 21:45                           ` Philipp Reisner
2009-05-05 21:53                             ` James Bottomley
2009-05-06  8:17                               ` Philipp Reisner
2009-05-05 15:03                     ` Bart Van Assche
2009-05-05 15:57                       ` Philipp Reisner
2009-05-05 17:38                         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2009-05-03 10:06       ` Philipp Reisner
2009-05-03 10:15         ` Thomas Backlund
2009-05-03  5:53 ` Neil Brown
2009-05-03  6:24   ` david
2009-05-03  8:29   ` Lars Ellenberg
2009-05-03 11:00     ` Neil Brown
2009-05-03 21:32       ` Lars Ellenberg
2009-05-04 16:12         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree [this message]
2009-05-05 22:08         ` Lars Ellenberg
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-05-14 22:31 devzero
2009-05-15 12:10 Philipp Reisner
2009-07-06 15:39 [PATCH 00/16] drbd: " Philipp Reisner
2009-07-21  5:49 ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]   ` <20090720224940.36da1ef8.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2009-07-21 18:51     ` Lars Ellenberg
2009-07-22  4:59       ` [Drbd-dev] " Stephen Rothwell
2009-07-24 15:20         ` Philipp Reisner
     [not found]           ` <200907241720.22771.philipp.reisner-63ez5xqkn6DQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-07-26 23:24             ` Stephen Rothwell

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