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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>
Cc: selinux@tycho.nsa.gov, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk,
	sds@tycho.nsa.gov
Subject: Re: SELinux and access(2), we want to know.
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:14:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090508131451.GA3593@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1241723924.2791.107.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Eric Paris wrote:
> If a process calls access("/etc/shadow", R_OK) I claim
> that we darn sure better return the same result that open("/etc/shadow",
> O_RDONLY) would return.  I'm guessing noone is going to argue that
> point.

This is actually wrong in general - and I see that several posters
have repeated it as if it's a fact.

Since the days prior to the new-fangled security models, access() is
supposed to calculate access for the _real_ user and group of the
process doing the access, whereas open() uses the _effective_ user and
group.

It is one of the things access() is useful for, in setuid/setgid programs.

It should be quite obvious that there are corresponding concepts in
modern security models, such as delegated authority, capabilities
etc. which possibly ought to apply to access(), and which possibly
affect how it's audited.

-- Jamie

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-05-08 13:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-07 19:18 SELinux and access(2), we want to know Eric Paris
2009-05-07 19:18 ` Eric Paris
2009-05-07 19:57 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-05-07 19:57   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-05-07 20:57   ` Eric Paris
2009-05-07 20:57     ` Eric Paris
2009-05-07 21:28     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-05-07 21:28       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-05-08  5:56     ` max
2009-05-08  3:51   ` Casey Schaufler
2009-05-08  3:51     ` Casey Schaufler
2009-05-08  5:16     ` Eamon Walsh
2009-05-08  5:16       ` Eamon Walsh
2009-05-08 12:27     ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-08 12:27       ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-08 12:46       ` Daniel J Walsh
2009-05-08 12:46         ` Daniel J Walsh
2009-05-08 14:17         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-05-08 14:17           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-05-08 14:53         ` Casey Schaufler
2009-05-08 14:53           ` Casey Schaufler
2009-05-08 13:05       ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-08 13:05         ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-08 13:14 ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2009-05-08 13:29 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-08 13:29   ` Stephen Smalley

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