From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list linux-mips); Tue, 19 May 2009 13:53:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from h5.dl5rb.org.uk ([81.2.74.5]:48522 "EHLO h5.dl5rb.org.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by ftp.linux-mips.org with ESMTP id S20023992AbZESMxd (ORCPT ); Tue, 19 May 2009 13:53:33 +0100 Received: from h5.dl5rb.org.uk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by h5.dl5rb.org.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4JCrBYv018047; Tue, 19 May 2009 13:53:11 +0100 Received: (from ralf@localhost) by h5.dl5rb.org.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4JCrATa018043; Tue, 19 May 2009 13:53:10 +0100 Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:53:10 +0100 From: Ralf Baechle To: Laurent GUERBY Cc: Jon Fraser , Andrew Wiley , "linux-mips@linux-mips.org" , "Maciej W. Rozycki" Subject: Re: Bigsur? Message-ID: <20090519125310.GA17733@linux-mips.org> References: <1242663215.18301.26.camel@chaos.ne.broadcom.com> <20090518222334.GD16847@linux-mips.org> <1242735440.6098.101.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1242735440.6098.101.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"|/home/ecartis/ecartis -s linux-mips"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-mips@linux-mips.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;linux-mips@linux-mips.org X-archive-position: 22816 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: linux-mips-bounce@linux-mips.org Errors-to: linux-mips-bounce@linux-mips.org X-original-sender: ralf@linux-mips.org Precedence: bulk X-list: linux-mips On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 02:17:20PM +0200, Laurent GUERBY wrote: > On Mon, 2009-05-18 at 23:47 +0100, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > > Yes, invaluable for native builds and there is a considerable number of > > software packages which is not capable of being cross-compiled, or > > requires extreme contortions to be built this way, or if buildable with a > > reasonable effort, the functionality is limited. Besides a three-stage > > GCC bootstrap is a good way of verifying the quality of the tool, never > > mind standard DejaGNU-based regression testing which although possible > > using cross-tools and a remote target, is awfully painful to be set up > > this way. > > For MIPS in the GCC Compile Farm http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/CompileFarm > (which is open to all free software, not limited to GCC) we > have two loongson-2f based netbooks on which a GCC bootstrap > and check is manageable. > > Right now this farm is more oriented towards upstream userland > developpers debug/test cycles - they get access to 12 architectures when > they sign in. It's not really oriented towards porting > kernel/distributions or building distribution packages which is already > well covered by existing distribution farms and individual developpers > and those developpers should get priority on new hardware :). > > This farm project is part of the Free Software Fundation France (a > french not-for-profit organization) effort to help free software > development and we accept hardware and hosting donations, and also > discounts to purchase commercial hardware when donations are not > possible and there is significant interest in one platform. That I think is a great solution for people who need short term access but doesn't really solve the fundamental problem that hardware with sufficient punch for efficient native development isn't easily available. Ralf