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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: "Christian Bornträger" <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
Cc: Cam Macdonell <cam@cs.ualberta.ca>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Christian Ehrhardt <ehrhardt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Driver for Inter-VM shared memory device for KVM supporting interrupts.
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:48:59 +0930	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200905251549.00283.rusty@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200905200933.01736.borntraeger@de.ibm.com>

On Wed, 20 May 2009 05:03:01 pm Christian Bornträger wrote:
> Am Mittwoch 20 Mai 2009 04:58:38 schrieb Rusty Russell:
> > But what's it *for*, this shared memory? 
...
> z/VM uses these segments for several purposes:
> o The monitoring subsystem uses a DCSS to get data from several components

In KVM this probably doesn't require inter-guest access; presumably monitoring 
is done on the host.

> o shared guest kernels: The CMS operating system is build as a bootable
> DCSS (called named-saved-segments NSS). All guests have the same host pages
> for the read-only parts of the CMS kernel. The local data is stored in
> exclusive-write parts of the same NSS. Linux on System z is also capable of
> using this feature (CONFIG_SHARED_KERNEL). The kernel linkage is changed in
> a way to separate the read-only text segment from the other parts with
> segment size alignment

This is unlikely for x86 at least, and as you point out, not good for 
distributions either.

> o execute-in-place: This is a Linux feature to exploit the DCSS technology.
>   The goal is to shared identical guest pages without the additional
> overhead of KSM etc. We have a block device driver for DCSS. This block
> device driver supports the direct_access function and therefore allows to
> use the xip option of ext2. The idea is to put  binaries into an read-only
> ext2 filesystem. Whenever an mmap is made on this file system, the page is
> not mapped into the page cache. The ptes point into the DCSS memory
> instead. Since the DCSS is demand-paged by the host no memory is wasted for
> unused parts of the binaries. In case of COW the page is copied as usual.
> It turned out that installations with many similar guests (lets say 400
> guests) will profit in terms of memory saving and quicker application
> startups (not the first guest of course). There is a downside: this
> requires a skilled administrator to setup.

We're better off doing opportunistic KSM in virtio_blk I'd say.  Anyway, it's 
not really "inter-guest" in this sense; the host controls it, though it lets 
multiple guests read from it.

> We have also experimented with network, Posix shared memory, and shared
> caches via DCSS. Most of these ideas turned out to be not very useful or
> hard to implement proper.

Indeed, and this is what I suspect these patches are aiming for...

Thanks,
Rusty.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-05-25 10:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-07 16:26 [PATCH v2] Driver for Inter-VM shared memory device for KVM supporting interrupts Cam Macdonell
2009-05-18 14:07 ` Christian Borntraeger
2009-05-18 14:26   ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-19  9:00     ` Christian Bornträger
2009-05-19  9:10       ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-19 16:51         ` Cam Macdonell
2009-05-20  2:58           ` Rusty Russell
2009-05-20  7:33             ` Christian Bornträger
2009-05-20  8:45               ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-20  9:07                 ` Christian Bornträger
2009-05-20  9:11                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-20  9:20                     ` Christian Bornträger
2009-05-25  6:18               ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2009-05-20  8:07             ` François Diakhate
2009-05-19 18:39       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-20  7:33         ` Christian Bornträger
2009-05-20 13:26           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-18 16:56   ` Cam Macdonell

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