From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1762923AbZE0Xw3 (ORCPT ); Wed, 27 May 2009 19:52:29 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1762032AbZE0XwT (ORCPT ); Wed, 27 May 2009 19:52:19 -0400 Received: from 74-93-104-97-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net ([74.93.104.97]:53598 "EHLO sunset.davemloft.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1757141AbZE0XwS (ORCPT ); Wed, 27 May 2009 19:52:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20090527.165217.52725949.davem@davemloft.net> To: r.schwebel@pengutronix.de Cc: grant.likely@secretlab.ca, timur@freescale.com, yuan-bo.ye@motorola.com, devicetree-discuss@ozlabs.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk, rmk@arm.linux.org.uk Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform From: David Miller In-Reply-To: <20090527234801.GP6805@pengutronix.de> References: <20090527162000.GM6805@pengutronix.de> <20090527234801.GP6805@pengutronix.de> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.2.51 on Emacs 22.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org From: Robert Schwebel Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 01:48:01 +0200 > My impression is that oftree only works in a perfect world. But we > don't have one, so the fundamental design decision is broken. It is imperfect, that's why it all determined by software we control and thus we can fix. _THAT_ is the whole point. Bringing up SMSC over and over again is just a scarecrow. So one driver went insanely bad and if an ifdef platform specific hacks nightmare, big deal. That has no bearing on whether OF device trees constructed by bootloader software or onboard firmware is a good idea or not. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: David Miller Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20090527.165217.52725949.davem@davemloft.net> References: <20090527162000.GM6805@pengutronix.de> <20090527234801.GP6805@pengutronix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: In-Reply-To: <20090527234801.GP6805-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: devicetree-discuss-bounces+gldd-devicetree-discuss=m.gmane.org-mnsaURCQ41sdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org Errors-To: devicetree-discuss-bounces+gldd-devicetree-discuss=m.gmane.org-mnsaURCQ41sdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org To: r.schwebel-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org Cc: devicetree-discuss-mnsaURCQ41sdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org, linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-arm-kernel-xIg/pKzrS19vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org, yuan-bo.ye-3WKxDLwmzFNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org, timur-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org, rmk-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org List-Id: devicetree@vger.kernel.org From: Robert Schwebel Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 01:48:01 +0200 > My impression is that oftree only works in a perfect world. But we > don't have one, so the fundamental design decision is broken. It is imperfect, that's why it all determined by software we control and thus we can fix. _THAT_ is the whole point. Bringing up SMSC over and over again is just a scarecrow. So one driver went insanely bad and if an ifdef platform specific hacks nightmare, big deal. That has no bearing on whether OF device trees constructed by bootloader software or onboard firmware is a good idea or not.